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I think it would take an intense amount of mental gymnastics for a Windrunner in general and Kaladin specifically (since we know his versions of the Ideals) to become the champion of the Invader who's expressed purpose (to Dalinar) is to accomplish a murder list and move on from that world with no regard to the state of things he leaves behind. While not necessarily 100% incompatible Im sure, I think it would be pretty tought to justify that sort of killing spree as an act Protecting the weak.
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To Hoid, A Very Long Time Ago: "Be very Specific with your Vows. 'There' can be Anywhere."
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Given how muddled the surviving version of the Manywar seems to be, I wouldnt be surprised if one of the various Names attributed to Vasher or the other Scholars turned out to be the name Shashara called Nightblood back them.
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The (believed to be) Regrowth Fabrial used both topaz and heliodor, the Flesh and Bone essences. If a fabrial-induced savant were to go full-healer I think that's the route Id expect more than any single essence Soulcaster savant. If a Soulcaster were to manage it I think a properly subtle and exact ability with soulcasting transmutation could be a fantastic tool, but would still require the old fashion kind of advanced medical knowledge to apply effectively, since I dont think it would be able to use the spiritweb as a guide the way Regrowth and other spirit-based healing do (or even Bondsmith Adhesion for that matter).
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In Warbreaker Vasher habitually stashed his Breaths in carried objects specifically to dampen the noticeable heightening effects around him. I'd assume he's still doing the same general trick. In the case of his Divine Breathe, if Im not mistaken he is able to dampen the typical 5th heightening effects of a Divine Breath by the same mechanisms that let him alter his physical form, in that he has learned how to consciously suppress it.
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That's true, you've shown there's reasonable doubt on it being a blanket statement for both medallions and standard metalminds. Ill be honest, I cant get behind that interpretation just yet, it seems like a much more qualitative difference in function (metalmind to medallion) than we've seen with any other metal, even with your proposed Unsealing method. Buuuut, that means my objection really boils down to an Occam's Razor argument, and we are talking about a system where dont know how a full quarter of the metal attributes work, and the creator is specifically trying to make it increasingly complicated. So Occam's Razor may not be a particularly useful method at all here, I fully realize.
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Per recent WOB Nicrosil works a little more like Copper in that you place a discrete thing in and take it back out, as opposed to most of the others were you are more fiddling with an attribute slider bar and storing/tapping some relative percentage of a non-specific commodity-style entity. Given that it may not actually do much when Compounded, or at least not as dramatic as some of the other metals. EDIT: This is the case for the Nicrosil portion of medallions, there is still some debate on whether standard metalminds would work the same.
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The two arent incompatible given how the Heralds have declined, but I ted to agree that it's a strange difference in description. You know, I think I was misreading the context. I recall now the other references that Ishar organized the emerging Radiants into the Orders as organizations, I was taking this as indication that he had something more specific to do with the emergence of spren-bonded Radiants in the first place. But in retrospect I dont think it says that, he's just saying the term "Windrunner" didnt arise until Ishar's involvement, but it makes more sense that it's referring to those organizations.
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When you say "learned" how do you mean exactly? My hesitance is just that Id sort of expect there to be more accidental absorption with Rosharan natives, especially among those that are closer to the Spiritual realm like the Singers, the Horneaters, or any of the Fabrial savants. So not manifesting Surges but maybe spontaneously absorbing it and healing, for example while trapped out in a Highstorm (a traumatic enough event for many to cause a Snapping). EDIT: Wait, no, I dont think that would work because of Squires. We know several that were proven broken enough to bond their own spren, and they get firsthand experience drawing in Stormlight. If a cracked spiritweb and the knowledge of How were all it took to Inhale Stormlight, they should always be able to draw in the Light and only loose the actual Surges if their Radiant moves out of range. I agree with that, though I am more wondering if a person has a natural limit to the number of different Investiture sources they could use (or maybe just a limit on the end-positive ones that reach out and connect to a specific Shard). Meaning that if Radiant Lift were to go worldhopping as she is and gain access to new magic systems, would the Nightmother's fiddling be entirely restricted to Stormlight-type Investiture, or would it replace her ability to connect to any other Shard's Spiritual investiture store. Put another way, Im wondering if she is still capable of making End-positive Connections to Shards at all or if her Spiritwebs entire Investiture handling system has been reworked to converted Food (arguably a much more End-Neutral type thing)
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Hopping back tot hte topic of whether Nohadon founded the Radiant Orders: in OB the Stormfather told Dalinar that "Ishar founded the Orders". Do we believe him? Is there some way he could believe he is correct but be misrepresenting the actual events. Is it possible that Nohadon was an alias for Ishar (or any other herald for that matter)?
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Interesting, that makes sense. Do you think it's literally anyone with a sufficently cracked soul, or does some form of Investiture use have to already be plugged into that sector of the spiritweb (in the Nicrosil Feruchemical sense of having some form of storable Investiture)? The example Im looking at (one of the worst examples imaginable for being so unique) is Lift, who is still a Radiant but had her Investiture intake structures overwritten such that she metabolizes food into Investiture directly (feels like F-Bendalloy to me) and in so doing lost her ability to Inhale Stormlight. If those were two separate actions by the Nightmother/Cultivation it's a useless test case. But if she lost the Inhalation ability as a direct result of getting that sector of her spiritweb reconfigured for food conversion, I feel like that would have implications on the hurdles any worldhopper would face.
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I agree entirely, when I said wonky I meant that the failing was in my own overly-strong association between the concepts of Cultivation and Agriculture, which while difficult for me to shake thanks to a rural cultural upbringing is definitely a false equivalency here.- 22 replies
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I see where you are coming from. The cultivationspren logic seems wonky to me, but mostly because by that argument they should LOVE urban area's, but I'd have defaulted them to preferring remote/rural areas on the general Nature-spren image I have of them, which is itself probably not accurate.- 22 replies
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Do we know how Vasher goes about consuming Stormlight to fuel his Divine Breath? Does it just naturally reach out to the nearest spheres like a radiant when it's ready to absorb another breath? Does he have to swallow charged spheres to internalize the Investiture (like that thing that time)? Maybe he just has to have stood out in a Highstorm within the last week to top off his Divine Breath and can get on a looser "eating schedule" based on the local Investiture ecology instead of the strict 1 per week on Nalthis? And how does he deal with the Weeping where he would have to go 2-4 weeks without a Highstorm? Can he fuel his Divine Breath with the Everstorm?
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Quantus replied to Ethan_sedai's topic in Stormlight Archive
Inkspren I could definitely see, being all about logic-based understanding and converting ideas to symbols and other such cognitive structures. I dont really see the connection with Lightspren or Cultivationspren though, although I suppose Cultivationspren would likely enjoy the new development regardless.- 22 replies
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I would contend that "Proto-Internetspren" = Cryptic in the sense of ideas and even Existence being expressed via a fundamentally mathematical framework- 22 replies
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If Im reading the WOB phrasing correctly, it sounds like a critical part of that equation is that the table was across the bubble boundary as it formed, popping it in a similar but more violent way as if Wayne had walked out of hte bubble himself. I think we've seen Wayne hold small bits of aluminum inside the bubble at least, he's carried some of wax's aluminum bullets around for a while and I want to say he used his bubble during those scenes.
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"May the Goat Be With You" (Star Wars) "Show me the GOAT!" (Jerry McGuire) “You're gonna need a bigger Goat.” (Jaws) "If you Build it, Goats will Come" (Field of Dreams) "I see Dead Goats" (Sixth Sense) "Hoston, we have a Goat" (Apollo 13) "A Boys Best friend is his Goat" (Psycho) "Keep your Friends Close, but your Goats Closer" (Godfather II) "Say Hello to my little Goat" (Scarface)
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Funny story: back in '09 I was fresh out of college and I'd loved the music to the first Fate Stay Night so I had the soundtrack on my computer at work (and not much else, just had the one work mix). IT needed to look at it and when I got the thing back it had an oddly worded note attached to it commenting on my taste in music. That's when I decided to google FateStayNight and found out that before it was a wide-release anime and manga it was a Light Novel...a Hentai Light Novel. Which in retrospect explains some of the most randomly awkward scenes in the first show.
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Depends on the day: Some days it's Kaladin for his depression swings and also his general desire to help people regardless of who they are. On my good days Navani more than Jasnah in the sense that Im far more of an inventor than a theoretical scientists, and can really fall into a good project. More and more it's somewhere between Rock and Llarimar for their viewing the world through a lens of vaguely exasperated stoicism. Somewhere between Shallan and Siri for their feelings of aimlessness, and often wanting to just be left alone, languishing in obscurity. But most of the time it would likely be Lightsong: Honest and Kind-hearted but also a touch aimless, unsure of his purpose, definitely low self-esteem, desperately wants to Help but has no clear Idea how to go about it, see's most of the culture around him as pointlessly self-indulgent and narrow-minded, and all but incapable of recognizing it when other's have a better opinion of him that he does himself.
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There's a lot of debate about how the medallions are actually made and what specifics it would take. In nearly all cases, it is still seems like it would be unwholesomely easy to assemble a full set of medallions (enough to be effectively a Fullborn), and compound enough to keep them perpetually filled, once you have all the pieces to make the first Medallion. Here's one of the most recent discussions on the topic:
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Ya, that's where gold always gets weird for me, especially when you are talking things like indirect damage sources (like the radiation powder poison example), semi-natural threats like cancer, or things that bump up against other powers like those that support the body's needs like air, food (another power that may or may not counter poison), or heat. Can Gold alone prevent you from freezing to death? It could fix cell damage from frostbite but eventually water will turn to ice, so...
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You are probably right, but do I have to wonder: that's a poison you can already naturally metabolize over time. If it were a more terminal poison would they still be able to recover? Or go exotic and spike them with radioactive materials for the poison. It could heal the damage to the cells and most likely the DNA damage/mutations, but would it be able to actually purge the irradiated elements if the body didnt already have systems and/or mechanisms to remove it (the way it does with alcohol)? Im still just thinking about the most effective way to force attrition on their Gold reserves. That plan would be banking on the idea that being completely surrounded by Aluminum would prevent you from tapping Strength the same way it can prevent gold from healing a wound while still in contact with it. And a soulcast block wouldnt give them any room to grow, so I think they'd either be unable to tap the power at all, or start crushing themselves when they swelled. Click on the "Arcanum" up at the top of the page.
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Absolutely, it would still be healing the ongoing cell death from the asphyxiation, so at best it's going to be easier to manage than trapping him in an open fire long enough to work through his reserves. If you are talking about just a Gold Twinborn it opens up a lot of trap designs, though most of them would still benefit strongly from some Chromium (with or without an Ettmetal delivery system). A fullborn is going to be a lot harder because they're more capable of breaking open whatever box you trap them in; that's where a soulcast block of aluminum would be really useful, to shut down all their tangible powers, if not all their internal healing. If I happened to have infinite Scadrial resources, I think I'd go for a one/two punch of Ettmetal grenades, start with Chromium, kick them into a pit of concrete, then as soon as they are blinded hit the whole thing with a Pulser charged Ettmetal grenade. If it doesnt hold them long enough for their reserves to run dry at least you bought youself a lot of time. Assuming of course the Fullborn doesnt notice and counter the temporal shenanigan.
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Looking outside the Sphere, as a modification of Number 4 you could use Forgery to temporarily remove their Gold and/or Feruchemy. If you can stamp them while not actively burning metals, they shouldnt have any unusual levels of personal Investiture that would block Forgery. Similarly, one of the more broadly useful (possibly even cheaty) tricks cosmere-wide seems to be to Soulcast the air around somebody into a solid block of Aluminum. I think this would be able to capture just about anyone including a Fullborn like the Rashek, though the final Cause of Death would likely still be suffocation.
