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He didn't train in Kharbranth, even from another surgeon. The only reason he ever travelled there was because he worked as a courier for a while.
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Whoops, misread the post I quoted.
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I seem to recall the implication that Hesina talks like a lighteyes, too. As in she was able to talk circles around darkeyes which is a quality that Kaladin repeatedly associates with educated lighteyes.
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I was corrected on this yesterday by someone kind enough to dig up the WoB - the Listeners are not of Honour, and not originally of Cultivation or Odium. Odium clearly has something to do with the Voidbringer versions of the Listeners and Cultivation probably has something to do with the regular Listeners but neither one of them actually created the species.
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We also know that Cryptics and Honourspren don't get on, so it's reasonable that they might have been avoiding Syl.
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We've seen that a modern day Surgebinder who tries to use Shardplate just has their Stormlight sucked away, but we've also seen that the historic Knights Radiant had no such problem. They could also summon and dismiss their Plate to at least a partial extent. So obviously they were capable of doing things with Plate that a modern Shardbearer simply cannot, just as they can't do the things with a Shardblade that Kaladin and Shallan have learnt to do. My theory is that one of those functions of Shardplate was to serve as a reservoir for Stormlight. The KR have an elegance and ease to their powers that the modern day characters still lack, and one of the clumsiest things remaining is the need to store Stormlight in gems. A Surgebinder needs to carry around gems or hold their breath to maintain their supply of Stormlight, but if a KR could truly summon their Plate like their Blades then they might be able to access their reservoir of Stormlight at a moment's notice. It'd also save on unnecessary glowing. I think the reason that modern Shardplate sucks up Stormlight might be that it's not properly bound to the Surgebinder, so the Plate is trying to siphon it off for its true owner, kind of like how people can summon Shardblades by putting a gem on the Blade and tricking it into thinking they have a proper Nahel bond. Of course as a theory this is probably completely wrong. And good night.
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There's also the possibility that Cultivation altered them and that's when their blood changed colour.
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Maybe I'm remembering it wrong but when Nalan recruits him he says it.
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No, I quoted the right person. Szeth spoke the Second Ideal of the Skybreakers at the end of WoR. I didn't explain what I meant adequately though. Here's another try: Szeth doesn't have to fit the divine attributes of the Skybreakers because he isn't an actual Knight Radiant of the Order of Skybreakers, just a guy belonging to a group calling themselves by that name. Nalan might even deliberately pick people who don't fit because that means they'll never attract a Highspren.. or just because he wants people obedient to him rather than actually to the law. As for the Dustbringers, I suppose I was thinking in terms of storytelling, imagining a scenario in which our Dustbringer character is being forced to do something he or she believes is wrong because they've taken an oath, only to realise that the final ideal allows them a degree of freedom. Every time a Surgebinder has spoken an ideal it has been a big, life-changing moment where they find a degree of inner peace as a result of understanding what they should do.
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Theory on Unlocking the Other Oathgates.
Wrath replied to earthboundsyndicate's topic in Stormlight Archive
Wasn't it implied that the others were broken at present? I'm expecting Navani to figure out how to repair them. -
Ah, but the moment you follow the spirit of the law instead of the letter you're moving into the Interpretive Realm. Following both is going to result in you killing your spren pretty quickly. If you can interpret the law then you're not trapped by it. In fact I think that the way Nalan clings to the letter of the law so strongly that he would even let one of his quarries go is a sign of just how broken he is. Again I'd say that's a sign of the people calling themselves Skybreakers being rotten to the core. I wouldn't put much faith in Szeth knowing the Second Ideal of the Skybreakers either - it seems less like a mystical moment of inner revelation than just something he happens to know. Szeth comes with knowledge of the Knights Radiant that other characters lack, which is presumably how he knew the correct names for the Windrunner abilities when an actual Windrunner did not. The Shin likely remember a lot more than the rest of Roshar.
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That's what I thought before I learnt about the Cosmere, but I think the flaw in that would be that Highstorms are weaker in some areas than in others but as far as I know there's never been anything about spren being less common in those places. The thing about Listeners not being originally of Cultivation suggests that at some point they were claimed by Cultivation, and humans are specifically known as the "sons/daughters of Honour", so to me it makes sense that the place best suited for human life is also the place where Honour is strongest. Where you're worshipped doesn't necessarily correlate to where you've expended the most of your power. And wasn't the Old Magic the religion that was followed by all of Roshar before the rise of Vorinism? We know that's linked to Cultivation via the Nightwatcher. In fact looking at the map of Roshar it seems like the Nightwatcher lives pretty much in the middle. Also in what may be a total coincidence, we know that most of the Honourblades are kept in Shinovar. All just theories of course. And like I said, I'm new to the Cosmere so this is probably all massively wrong.
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The current Skybreakers are probably not the best people to use as an example, since they're most likely corrupted. And if the actual Skybreakers truly did "debate" with the Windrunners then they must have had some wiggle room, because a debate is utterly pointless unless an opinion can be changed. Besides, if a Skybreaker is truly limited by the letter of the law then what happens when there are contradictory laws?
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I expect that the next Windrunner ideals deal with leading instead of protecting. Something like "I will lead those who are leaderless" which mirrors their Second Ideal. Obedient is a weird one, though. I mean if you think about it all the Knights Radiant have to be obedient to their oaths, so something like "I will obey all my oaths" is completely redundant as an ideal. I suspect that the Dustbringers' final ideal is something like "I will not obey an order that is unjust" or something, allowing them a way out of being trapped by their loyalty.
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Ah, thanks. Though I still think that means that Cultivation changed the rules for Roshar to cause spren to appear the way they do. My theory would go like this: spren pre-date Cultivation as inhabitants of the Cognitive Realm, but she changed the rules on Roshar to increase their ability to manifest in the Physical Realm. I suspect as well that rather than Shinovar being the best land it was transformed by Honour to resemble the previous home of the humans. Roshar requires a bit of a learning curve after all. And since it's Honour's place rather than Cultivation that's why spren don't appear as much there.
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That, along with a couple of other things, is why I figured that humans were not native to Roshar even before I knew about this here Cosmere deal. My guess would be that Cultivation has been on Roshar longer than Honour, and she's responsible for the change in the rules that allows for spren. Not that she created all the spren or that they're all of her - we know that's definitely not true - but from what I understand Shards can change some of the ways things work for their planets beyond stuff like altering the physical realm. It's possible that the reason that Roshar is so messed up is that it has been subject to multiple colonisations by Shards and their pets. Maybe the crustacean species are the only true natives and the Listeners were brought to Roshar by Cultivation, then Odium and Honour/humanity came later, possibly separately
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An heir might also have been left at home to run the princedom. But I'll concede that we probably would have heard something about them if they actually existed.
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Some thoughts on Shardplate *Some spoilers I guess*
Wrath replied to Zhalfirin's topic in Stormlight Archive
There's definitely more to Shardplate than we yet know, just like there was more to Shardblades than we knew until the end of WoR. After all in Dalinar's visions he keeps noticing that the helmets vanish and reappear when he isn't looking, which sounds a lot like summoning and dismissing of Shardblades. And of course there are the glowing glyphs. The gems strike me as a workaround that someone figured out when trying to use Shardplate after the Recreance, just like the gems on Shardblades create a ghost bond between the wielder and the spren. Real Shardplate likely fed directly on the Stormlight of the Surgebinders and was, in that way, much more efficient than a Surgebinder trying to use modern Shardplate. -
Bear in mind that the current Skybreakers are probably not the real KR order but rather a group of Shardbearers following a corrupted version of the Skybreaker Ideals. We do know that Windrunners and Skybreakers have publicly disagreed about how to deal with supposed criminals, but we don't know exactly how those disagreements were resolved. "Debate" was the word used but that could have been a euphemism.
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Technically one could say that the First Ideal is three oaths, since it has three parts. Dalinar may also have sworn multiple oaths with the Second Ideal of the Bondsmiths, since it has two parts ("I will unite instead of divide. I will bring men together.") So one ideal does not necessarily equal one oath.
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IIRC one of the Death Rattles says something like "Who is that standing there and why is his head full of lines?"
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Let's just hope it isn't Amaram. EDIT - do we know that Sadeas doesn't have any children? I don't remember anything being said either way.
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I think that the main problem is that the necessary skills and knowledge are never brought together. Some people are starting to develop advanced weaponry, some people have rediscovered how to make Cuendillar and some people have figured out how to make Power-wrought weapons, but none of them are actually the same people. On top of that you need someone with the right sort of mindset to think of new ways of combining these different abilities and someone with the military knowledge to know how to apply them to warfare, as well as to teach people how to effectively use them.
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The Two Forms and Three Names of the Dragon (theory)
Wrath replied to Cartith's topic in The Wheel of Time
I think we have two Dragons: the Dragon Who Fails and the Dragon Who Succeeds. Obviously LTT is the former and Rand the latter. Success is only possible by understanding how you've failed in the past. But that doesn't mean that the Dragon Who Fails always fails by having Saidin tainted. In other Ages it might be that the Dragon turns to the Shadow, or any other terrible scenario which you can imagine. The Dark One is probably always temporarily dealt with, but the fate of the Dragon can change. I don't think you ever get a female Dragon, though. Souls seem to be the main component in determining whether you use Saidin or Saidar after all. But that doesn't mean that Saidar can't end up tainted - the obvious scenario is that rather than driving the Dragon himself mad the Dark One chooses to drive his significant other mad instead. That might even be a worse punishment. As for the Creator... I always just assumed that the Creator exists outside the Wheel of Time. I definitely believe that the Creator spoke to Rand on those two occasions, and that Rand's Messiah Mode comes from the Creator much as the True Power comes from the Dark One. Just because you have an endless loop doesn't mean that something can't have created that loop and have existed before it. -
Theoretically she could have used a Lightweaving Fabrial. I mean that's not likely, since it would mean she had a Fabrial beyond the current technological level, but it's possible. We know there are more advanced Fabrials out there that are presumably relics from an earlier age, after all. As for Sadeas I agree with you. Now that Urithiru has been rediscovered and the Knights Radiant refounded Sadeas has become insignificant. He was simply no longer playing the same game as Dalinar. When he gave his little speech about the Surgebinders being fakes rather than irritation I felt sorry for him. With the various secret societies, the corrupted Listeners and Odium himself we hardly want for villains.