The Good Hemalurgist

Oooh I really like the idea and the drawing!

What types of spikes do they use for combat? Aside from spiking themselves to gain powers, are there situations where spiking your enemies could hurt them (aside from Ruin's influence or Kandra or the like)

also random question, how are they powering their own spikes? Like you could heal the wound with f-gold but wouldn't it still take a bit of your soul? When do they find the trade off worth it?

I really love the idea of a lawless (or corrupt) area with tons of hemalergests and hemalergic battles!
on a less theory-oriented note, do they have a name?

2 hours ago, PythonicDreams said:

Oooh I really like the idea and the drawing!

Thank you! It's my most recent one 

2 hours ago, PythonicDreams said:

What types of spikes do they use for combat? Aside from spiking themselves to gain powers, are there situations where spiking your enemies could hurt them (aside from Ruin's influence or Kandra or the like)

Feruchemical gold is his primary spike- it's just too good an ability to pass up. He sometimes swaps between Allomantic pewter and steel (or uses both at once when he's able) since both are powerful and versatile metals. He has a few others he can use when needed, though he needs to swap them out (such as A-bronze)- he's aware that he should only have three spikes in at a time or bad things start happening.

As for spiking enemies, yes, there would be times that he'd consider doing so, such as if he were to face someone like Miles (or other highly Invested Cosmere entities immune to traditional forms of killing). I don't think that would be his go to method though, as he's somewhat concerned about the idea that he may be permanently scarring the people he spikes for the afterlife. . . he's pretty sure he isn't (he's been spiked himself and recovered from it), but as he sees it you can never be too sure. . .

2 hours ago, PythonicDreams said:

also random question, how are they powering their own spikes? Like you could heal the wound with f-gold but wouldn't it still take a bit of your soul? When do they find the trade off worth it?

He's mostly using spikes taken from other Hemalurgists he's had run ins with, but he has spiked out pieces of himself a few times in an attempt to study the process of Innate Investiture becoming functional Allomantic or Feruchemical powers (all attempts thus far have failed)- he's healed back the lost pieces with his Feruchemy, but he really hates the process. It beats spiking innocent people though.

2 hours ago, PythonicDreams said:

I really love the idea of a lawless (or corrupt) area with tons of hemalergests and hemalergic battles!

Could make for a really cool MAG setting!

2 hours ago, PythonicDreams said:

on a less theory-oriented note, do they have a name?

Not sure as of right now, though I'm leaning toward Gulav or Wyrid- the first being more Scadrien sounding, the second a little more unique.

I also had an idea for a story based on the premise of a vigilante using Hemalurgy for good.

He'd have A-Iron and F-Steel, one of them being natural. Along with probably A-Bronze and A-Zinc.

He'd be the Scadrian version of Batman. That's all I'll say.

4 hours ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

I also had an idea for a story based on the premise of a vigilante using Hemalurgy for good.

He'd have A-Iron and F-Steel, one of them being natural. Along with probably A-Bronze and A-Zinc.

He'd be the Scadrian version of Batman. That's all I'll say.

Sounds like a cool character 

3 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

Sounds like a cool character 

Thanks. He would also be a little bit of Jack the Ripper for the worst criminals.

Using Copper Spikes to straight up rip out memories of members of criminal organizations to further his investigations.

Yeah, definitely not quite Batman.

1 hour ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

Yeah, definitely not quite Batman.

Yeah, sounds more like the Punisher. . .

1 hour ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

Thanks. He would also be a little bit of Jack the Ripper for the worst criminals.

Using Copper Spikes to straight up rip out memories of members of criminal organizations to further his investigations.

Interesting. I don't know if Hemalurgic copper would straight up work for that, but if you grafted on F-copper via Hemalurgy and forced them to store their memories (maybe by breaking into their Spiritweb via the Hemalurgic Flaw), then spiked them to get a sufficient Identity to draw those memories, that might be a more roundabout way of making such a tactic work. 

Is he a Kandra that can avoid the physical warping of Hemalurgically added human attributes, or did he find another way to sidestep it?

Also, does drawing those memories cause weird complications? Does he have personality alteration and whatnot that he has to fight against? Could be some interesting storytelling potential there.

8 hours ago, Trusk'our said:

Interesting. I don't know if Hemalurgic copper would straight up work for that, but if you grafted on F-copper via Hemalurgy and forced them to store their memories (maybe by breaking into their Spiritweb via the Hemalurgic Flaw), then spiked them to get a sufficient Identity to draw those memories, that might be a more roundabout way of making such a tactic work. 

The Hemalurgic properties of Copper states that it steals 'Intelligence, Mental Fortitude and Memories'. That's what I'm basing this off of. Though due to Hemalurgic Decay the memories are fuzzier and somewhat distorted.

8 hours ago, Trusk'our said:

Is he a Kandra that can avoid the physical warping of Hemalurgically added human attributes, or did he find another way to sidestep it?

Nah he's just a dude who had a really sucky past, with the human attributes he just only uses a single Copper Spike at a time and only for a little while so he can write down the memories he takes. 

8 hours ago, Trusk'our said:

Also, does drawing those memories cause weird complications? Does he have personality alteration and whatnot that he has to fight against? Could be some interesting storytelling potential there.

Didn't think of that but yeah that would make sense, the fear of losing one's sense of self to the very criminals you kill to protect others, slowly being twisted into what you fight. Yeah that's some quality angst/horror material. Thanks.

10 minutes ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

The Hemalurgic properties of Copper states that it steals 'Intelligence, Mental Fortitude and Memories'. That's what I'm basing this off of. Though due to Hemalurgic Decay the memories are fuzzier and somewhat distorted.

True, but Hemalurgy can't take Cognitive aspects from a donor, just the Spiritual aspects that then have an effect on the recipient's Cognitive aspect, such as having boosted memory or intelligence (WoB). Though the roundabout Feruchemy method should still work, I'd think.

But on the other hand, it's still a cool idea and I'd just disregard what I say against it if you like the concept for your character 

18 minutes ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

Nah he's just a dude who had a really sucky past, with the human attributes he just only uses a single Copper Spike at a time and only for a little while so he can write down the memories he takes. 

You know, I wonder if I should make a post about that concept- it sounds somewhat plausible to me; you could give yourself an attribute spike and gain the magical boost it provides, though you'd have to quickly remove the spike (after writing down the memories inside, in this case) before it turned you into a monster. Also could make an interesting story point in a MAG setting.

20 minutes ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

Didn't think of that but yeah that would make sense, the fear of losing one's sense of self to the very criminals you kill to protect others, slowly being twisted into what you fight. Yeah that's some quality angst/horror material. Thanks.

You're welcome- I can swing around to give you nightmares anytime 

As a side note, I was thinking up of a character that followed a similar rout; they'd be a Steel Inquisitor that stole a Keeper's Copperminds and managed to access them with the Feruchemy stolen from that Keeper (possibly to get info necessary to hunt down the other Keepers). The memories they take would war within them and cause the Inquisitor to truly question their loyalty the TLR and his ministry.

1 minute ago, Trusk'our said:

True, but Hemalurgy can't take Cognitive aspects from a donor, just the Spiritual aspects that then have an effect on the recipient's Cognitive aspect, such as having boosted memory or intelligence (WoB). Though the roundabout Feruchemy method should still work, I'd think.

But on the other hand, it's still a cool idea and I'd just disregard what I say against it if you like the concept for your character 

Ah I see. Well maybe he will need to use a roundabout method. Or maybe I'll just have him be a decent detective. Or interrogator. Batman-style.

2 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

You know, I wonder if I should make a post about that concept- it sounds somewhat plausible to me; you could give yourself an attribute spike and gain the magical boost it provides, though you'd have to quickly remove the spike (after writing down the memories inside, in this case) before it turned you into a monster. Also could make an interesting story point in a MAG setting.

It takes 4 Iron Spikes to (very quickly) turn someone into a Koloss, so maybe 1 or 2 won't result in a monster, just a really buff guy. Likely with some mental detriments.

5 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

As a side note, I was thinking up of a character that followed a similar rout; they'd be a Steel Inquisitor that stole a Keeper's Copperminds and managed to access them with the Feruchemy stolen from that Keeper (possibly to get info necessary to hunt down the other Keepers). The memories they take would war within them and cause the Inquisitor to truly question their loyalty the TLR and his ministry.

That would be an interesting story, until Ruin gets out and takes control of him anyway. Unless this takes place way before the first book.

17 hours ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

Ah I see. Well maybe he will need to use a roundabout method. Or maybe I'll just have him be a decent detective. Or interrogator. Batman-style.

Could pull a Wax and Wayne and tell half a man's life just from rummaging around his trashcan 

17 hours ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

That would be an interesting story, until Ruin gets out and takes control of him anyway. Unless this takes place way before the first book.

Yeah, it would have to take place either before TFE or somehow right after the Catecendre (with him somehow managing to avoid being killed by Vin, but that's a real stretch).