Who made Taln's body?

[+Oltux72 he/him]

This is fishy on many levels.

1. Why do they get bodies at all? Were they supposed to return to Roshar? Was the original Oathpact a temporary arrangement?
2. Is it built into the Oathpact? If so why did Honor agree to a plan that gave them nice superbodies even if it was necessary that the oaths could technically be broken for them to work?

Now we have one further issue. Honor is dead. He can't be making bodies anymore. So who does and did it?

1. The Oathpact is still so functional that it makes bodies after thousands of years
2. Those bodies are a bribe. Odium offered them.
3. Cultivation is cultivating.

The more

The more I think about it, the wierder it gets. It looks like the Desolations had been part of the plan from the start. What do you think?

 

[+mdross81 he/him]

45 minutes ago, Oltux72 said:

This is fishy on many levels.

1. Why do they get bodies at all? Were they supposed to return to Roshar? Was the original Oathpact a temporary arrangement?
2. Is it built into the Oathpact? If so why did Honor agree to a plan that gave them nice superbodies even if it was necessary that the oaths could technically be broken for them to work?

Definitely fishy. Add in the fact that the Fused have to steal Singer bodies when they Return to Roshar. Do they somehow have other bodies available to them on Braize or is it just their souls torturing the Heralds? And if it's just their souls, why do the Heralds experience the torture so viscerally? I was looking back at the Prelude recently and one of the things Kalak thinks jumped out at me:

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Kalak felt something within him break at the admission. How long had it been? Centuries, perhaps millennia, of torture. It was so hard to keep track. Those fires, those hooks, digging into his flesh anew each day. Searing the skin off him arm, then burning the fat, then driving to the bone. He could smell it. Almighty, he could smell it!

Does this mean there's some point where the torture stops and then it starts again the next day? Do they get a new body each day on Braize? I could just be reading into the phrasing too much.

[+Oltux72 he/him]

18 minutes ago, mdross81 said:

Does this mean there's some point where the torture stops and then it starts again the next day?

Fear is used I'd say. You leave them hanging there, on chains that are barely long enough and the instruments for the next session arranged for optimal viewing.

They have people with centuries of experience in that.

18 minutes ago, mdross81 said:

Do they get a new body each day on Braize? I could just be reading into the phrasing too much.

Either that or they regenerate. You cannot torture somebody for years without killing them.

(Secret History)

Spoiler

Hoid showed us that you can torment a Cognitive Shadow

 

[Bejarden he/him]

2 hours ago, Oltux72 said:

Either that or they regenerate. You cannot torture somebody for years without killing them.

Can’t kill a dead man.

[+Oltux72 he/him]

38 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

Can’t kill a dead man.

I can send over a number of Cognitive Shadows anxious to strenously object to that statement.

[Bejarden he/him]

Not sure if your serious or not so I’ll respond:

You can’t kill a CS through regular torture.

a real question would be why could the Heralds be hurt at all. Hoid seemed to say that a CS doesn’t need to be in pain when hurt