+mdross81 he/him Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, Frustration said: Very few people will ever be worthy of Bondsmith powers, I'd say that the amount of people unworthy of it might as well be 100% That's an interesting position. Presumably it's because of the nature of the Bondsmith powers, particularly now that Honor is dead? You just think that no one should be able to wield that kind of power? I can ... kinda see that. But to be honest, I'm not sure I'd be interested in reading a story about whoever you're envisioning being worthy of the powers, because it sounds like they would have to be so perfect as to basically be unbelievable as a character. I'll take flawed characters who can grow and change every time. 1
Frustration Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 1 minute ago, mdross81 said: That's an interesting position. Presumably it's because of the nature of the Bondsmith powers, particularly now that Honor is dead? You just think that no one should be able to wield that kind of power? I can ... kinda see that. Yes, what Ishar was doing... *shudders* I wouldn't trust anyone, anyone, myself included to weild that power. 2 minutes ago, mdross81 said: But to be honest, I'm not sure I'd be interested in reading a story about whoever you're envisioning being worthy of the powers, because it sounds like they would have to be so perfect as to basically be unbelievable as a character. I'll take flawed characters who can grow and change every time. That's kind of the point.
+mdross81 he/him Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Frustration said: That's kind of the point. I don't understand. Are you saying that you think Brandon has written Dalinar and Navani in a way that portrays them as too perfect, and therefore not believable? Or that you don't like that Brandon created such an over-powered role as the Bondsmith because you can't imagine anyone being worthy of wielding the power?
Jenet Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Frustration said: As for Navani(for me) it's that the Sibling get's treated as a shiny reward for "character deveoplment" and is not responsible enough for such power, and a small bit of countering the people who like her far more than I feel she deserves. I am curious. Why is she not likable, and why is she not responsible enough? The only fault I find that she did, was writing down her thoughts as she worked, so that Raboniel could find her notes. That was of course bad, and she regrets it, but many of the other characters have made similar mistakes and still readers can see their value. Personally, I cannot find any other thing she has done that makes her unlikable or unforgivable. She seems very responsible and careful to me, in all her actions before. You cannot hold her to the fire for a mistake she did while being held prisoner in isolation, and forced to do research while watched by another very accomplished scientist? And she actually found new important knowledge that will be valuable to team Dalinar even though her notes were stolen. It seems she got more than team Odium out of the situation in the long run. She got new understanding of the basic forces of Roshar that the humans have never understood before, and she could not have gotten it without cooperation with Raboniel. Even though she had to pay for it by revealing some of it to the singers, the future value of what she learnt is probably higher than the danger of what she revealed. Edited April 9, 2021 by Jenet 2
dannnex male Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 Me reading through this thread: Spoiler Here's my two cents. Is Navani a scholar? Absolutely. The discovery of Warlight alone is enough to classify her as such, even if you ignore everything else she's done. Is Navani worthy of bonding the Sibling? Well, I think that's kinda the whole point, isn't it? Her 'worthiness' is supposed to be debatable at this point, and you all have certainly proven that it is. Her arc has always been, from some perspective, about struggling to be 'worthy', this is the logical extension of that. Her entire arc has been about proving herself. She had to prove that she was capable of being a leader by herself after Gavilar died. She had to prove to Dalinar that their love was real and worth defying tradition for. She had to prove to herself and to Raboniel that she was a real scholar, despite her own admonitions that she wasn't. And now she has to prove herself worthy of bonding the Sibling. Is Navani a thematic fit for the Sibling? Absolutely. She is a leader, able to organize and unify people towards a common goal. Also, the unification of Stormlight and Voidlight into Warlight is a huge thematic parallel to the concept of unifying people. And finally, just one nitpick on one of Frustration's arguments. You keep saying that the powerset of a Bondsmith is so powerful that you wouldn't trust anyone with it that wasn't 100% capable. Well, the powers you kept pointing ut are really only the powers of an Unchained Bondsmith. Which means only Ishar. For both Dalinar and Navani, their powers are limited by both their Spren and their Oaths. If you act against the will of your spren, poof, no powers. If you act against the oaths you have sworn, poof, no powers. So while a normal Bondsmith is still insanely powerful, they aren't quite as powerful as you were saying. 5
Infinity Sliver Posted April 9, 2021 Author Posted April 9, 2021 14 minutes ago, Frustration said: That's kind of the point. Then who would you give Bondsmith powers to? Because from what we know,this is a war with vast consequences,you make due with what you have and hopefully grow into the role,Dalinar has,why doesnt Navani get that chance,because I've yet to see one concrete evidence that she wouldnt be responsible enough to be a Bondsmith when she was basically Queen and has been close to leadership roles for agessss. 4 minutes ago, Dannex said: Is Navani a thematic fit for the Sibling? Absolutely. She is a leader, able to organize and unify people towards a common goal. Also, the unification of Stormlight and Voidlight into Warlight is a huge thematic parallel to the concept of unifying people. This is something I didnt even think about. The unification of stuff previously thought of as impossible(Eshonai did it first but inworld,no one knows this) and then also been able to bring forth TowerLight to power the Sibling,she truly is,...the Voice of Lights. I love Raboniel btw,just throwing it out there 1
+mdross81 he/him Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 32 minutes ago, Frustration said: I think there are two main reasons, Dalinar and Kaladin get climactic redemptions while Shallan is still dealing with the same thing three books later and first impression, in WoK Shallan was by far the most annoying PoV the only thing she did was take time away from the things I actually wanted to read, and the dislike has stuck around. As for Navani(for me) it's that the Sibling get's treated as a shiny reward for "character deveoplment" and is not responsible enough for such power, and a small bit of countering the people who like her far more than I feel she deserves. Why is "character development" in quotation marks and why is it a problem for characters to be rewarded for it? Both Kaladin and Dalinar exhibit character growth and are rewarded with higher levels of power as well. Also, just trying to take Navani down a few notches to the level you think she deserves to be valued at, as opposed to what others think of her, is not a very compelling justification for your position. Lastly, you're kinda admitting that you just don't like reading about two of the most prominent female characters. That's fine, but it might be injecting some bias into your discussion of their merit as characters and their arcs.
Isilel Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 55 minutes ago, Frustration said: I have never once in this conversation insulted you, or cried that you refused to see what was right in fron of you, I have been reasonable I excpect the same back. I have not been part of this conversation before my previous post. But IMHO you have not been reasonable - you keep re-posting the same stuff while completely disregarding textual evidence, which is why arguing with you feels futile. You just don't seem to care about what was actually written in the books. I understand that you dislike how things turned out in RoW, but that's very different from claiming that they have not been sufficiently foreshadowed. 55 minutes ago, Frustration said: And The Sibling was not dead at that time, and Navani was not the only one able to help, Rlain can hear the pure tones to. Like, for instance here. Did Rlain know anti-voidlight rythm? No. Did he know how to blend 2 rythms, which was required to heal the Sibling from the effects of BAM's imprisonment? No. In fact, nobody on the anti-Odium side except Navani did. The text is unambiguous about it. So, of course she was the only one able to help, whether you like it or not. 55 minutes ago, Frustration said: There is a massive difference between doing what your Father says even if you don't like it, and doing what your enemy says because you will die otherwise. There is a massive difference between saying that a prospective Bondsmith is unworthy and actively trying to kill them. And the Stormfather wasn't just obeying Honor out of respect/affection, he didn't have any choice: "I WAS REQUIRED TO SEND THOSE VISIONS ONCE THE TIME ARRIVED. THE ALMIGHTY DEMANDED IT OF ME. I COULD NO MORE DISOBEY THAN I COULD REFUSE TO BLOW THE WINDS." Words of Radiance, chapter 89 "The Four". He also says that he won't be bound just before Dalinar makes his Oath and binds him. Oh, and I am glad that you admit that Gavilar, who was the Stormfather's first pick, was unworthy - which means that the Sibling's first choice wasn't necessarily the perfect one either, particularly since it was mainly made out of anti-human prejudice. 55 minutes ago, Frustration said: Hundreds of people during the Rennassance sis just that, gathered a bunch of scholars, artits sculpters etc, all without being masters in any of those professions. Why? because they had money. What does it have to do with anything? Navani directly guided her teams of researchers, gave them ideas, aimed them towards fruitful avenues of inquiry. We were shown this in the text - she was the one who came up with the flying ship idea, not one of her engineers. She also personally discovered how to blend various Rosharan investitures, how to fix the Sibling, which the pre-Recreance Radiants failed to do, figured out how to produce anti-investiture, and previous to all that she had also invented pain-rial. 55 minutes ago, Frustration said: Raboniel's opinions on humans was the same pre and post Navani, same with El. Wrong again. "I am led to wonder, from experiences such as this, if we have been wrong. We call humans alien to Roshar, yet they have lived here for thousands of years now. Perhaps it is time to aknowledge there are no aliens or interlopers. Only cousins" From Rhythm of War, page 5 undertext. RoW, Chapter 53 "Compassion". It is revealed later in the book that Raboniel was the author of the undertexts and that the copy of the notebook was sent to El and the other Fused. 55 minutes ago, Frustration said: There is just the small problem that it is infinatly easier for the Fused to get stormlight than for the Radiants to get Voidlight. There was not a valuable trade off there, that's like the US making the Nuke but Russia has hundreds of tons of Uranium sitting around in massive piles, it helps the Fused far more than it helps the Radiants, esspecially when the Radiants already had a way to permakill Fused. This is a valid consideration. OTOH, without the discovery of anti-rythms, Navani wouldn't have been able to reverse Sibling's Unmaking and they couldn't have taken back the Tower, as it's power suppression function would have still remained flipped. So, both the Sibling and Urithiru would have been lost, as the Fused would have been able to complete their task. At which point Coalition would have already been defeated, IMHO. Without Urithiru there was no hope in the long term. 55 minutes ago, Frustration said: The Sibling tells us that they spent years handpicking their Bondsmith. And yet their last one was Melishi, who was involved in something very dubious, with catastrophic results. Nor was there time for that anyway. Perfect is the enemy of good. 2
Bejarden he/him Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 I think everyone’s problem with the double standard of Navani not being worthy because of Anti-light and Kaladin and Dalinar being worthy despite their downsides are missing the point. Kaladin had proven himself worthy of the powers before he had been givin them, and then still was completely trustworthy until WoR. If that scene has happened before he had bonded Syl then he would not be worthy. The fact that he already proved himself gives him leeway here. Same with Dalinar, he was proven worthy then had a struggle he bounced back from. Navani has not done this. She made a huge mistake in giving the Fused Anti-Light and they obviously have the schematics as we know that the Fused are very efficient and effective in that area. I don’t think it’s possible that Raboniel has the Notebook and didn’t share it with another Fused “just in case” 1
Frustration Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, mdross81 said: I don't understand. Are you saying that you think Brandon has written Dalinar and Navani in a way that portrays them as too perfect, and therefore not believable? Or that you don't like that Brandon created such an over-powered role as the Bondsmith because you can't imagine anyone being worthy of wielding the power? I wouldn't trust anyone who uses the power with any regularity unless they were so perfect that the broke beliveability. Now if Honor could be restored and his laws reinforced I would relax my judgement 1 hour ago, Dannex said: And finally, just one nitpick on one of Frustration's arguments. You keep saying that the powerset of a Bondsmith is so powerful that you wouldn't trust anyone with it that wasn't 100% capable. Well, the powers you kept pointing ut are really only the powers of an Unchained Bondsmith. Which means only Ishar. For both Dalinar and Navani, their powers are limited by both their Spren and their Oaths. If you act against the will of your spren, poof, no powers. If you act against the oaths you have sworn, poof, no powers. So while a normal Bondsmith is still insanely powerful, they aren't quite as powerful as you were saying. Dalinar is proof that the spren are not very good at enforing their judgement 56 minutes ago, Infinitysliver said: Then who would you give Bondsmith powers to? No one 57 minutes ago, Infinitysliver said: Because from what we know,this is a war with vast consequences,you make due with what you have and hopefully grow into the role,Dalinar has,why doesnt Navani get that chance,because I've yet to see one concrete evidence that she wouldnt be responsible enough to be a Bondsmith when she was basically Queen and has been close to leadership roles for agessss. If OB had ended while Dalinar was still drunk I wouldn't give him a chance, RoW left off without Navani learning restraint. 47 minutes ago, mdross81 said: Why is "character development" in quotation marks and why is it a problem for characters to be rewarded for it? Both Kaladin and Dalinar exhibit character growth and are rewarded with higher levels of power as well. Because Navani didn't actually become a better person, she became more confident, but she has not shown greater restraint. 51 minutes ago, mdross81 said: Also, just trying to take Navani down a few notches to the level you think she deserves to be valued at, as opposed to what others think of her, is not a very compelling justification for your position. Would you disagree with someone who said that Dalinar is all that is good and holy? I see everyone blowing Navani's positives way out of proportion and I have to disagree 52 minutes ago, mdross81 said: Lastly, you're kinda admitting that you just don't like reading about two of the most prominent female characters. That's fine, but it might be injecting some bias into your discussion of their merit as characters and their arcs. Why do you keep bringing the sex of the characters into this? That has nothing to do with the conversation. 29 minutes ago, Isilel said: I have not been part of this conversation before my previous post. But IMHO you have not been reasonable - you keep re-posting the same stuff while completely disregarding textual evidence, which is why arguing with you feels futile. You just don't seem to care about what was actually written in the books. I understand that you dislike how things turned out in RoW, but that's very different from claiming that they have not been sufficiently foreshadowed. I repost the same thing because what I'm responding to doesn't require a change 36 minutes ago, Isilel said: Like, for instance here. Did Rlain know anti-voidlight rythm? No. Did he know how to blend 2 rythms, which was required to heal the Sibling from the effects of BAM's imprisonment? No. In fact, nobody on the anti-Odium side except Navani did. The text is unambiguous about it. So, of course she was the only one able to help, whether you like it or not. DId he need Anti-Voidlight? No, it would have been worked out of the system eventually. You assume that The Sibling couldn't blend the Tones once they could hear both again. Quote where it says that Navani was the only one who could help, and even if she was that doesn't make her worthy. 39 minutes ago, Isilel said: There is a massive difference between saying that a prospective Bondsmith is unworthy and actively trying to kill them. And the Stormfather wasn't just obeying Honor out of respect/affection, he didn't have any choice: "I WAS REQUIRED TO SEND THOSE VISIONS ONCE THE TIME ARRIVED. THE ALMIGHTY DEMANDED IT OF ME. I COULD NO MORE DISOBEY THAN I COULD REFUSE TO BLOW THE WINDS." Words of Radiance, chapter 89 "The Four". He also says that he won't be bound just before Dalinar makes his Oath and binds him. Oh, and I am glad that you admit that Gavilar, who was the Stormfather's first pick, was unworthy - which means that the Sibling's first choice wasn't necessarily the perfect one either, particularly since it was mainly made out of anti-human prejudice. So? Shards can't break oaths why do you find it so bad that the Stormfather couldn't disobey Honor? The Sibling didn't just choose Rlain because he wasn't human they originally refused to bond at all, The Sibling monitered him and found him acceptable later. 43 minutes ago, Isilel said: Wrong again. "I am led to wonder, from experiences such as this, if we have been wrong. We call humans alien to Roshar, yet they have lived here for thousands of years now. Perhaps it is time to aknowledge there are no aliens or interlopers. Only cousins" From Rhythm of War, page 5 undertext. RoW, Chapter 53 "Compassion". It is revealed later in the book that Raboniel was the author of the undertexts and that the copy of the notebook was sent to El and the other Fused. Quote "I had my title and my rhythms stripped from me for daring insist they should not be killed, but should instead be reconditioned. Repurposed." - RoW chapter 99 epigraphs 46 minutes ago, Isilel said: And yet their last one was Melishi, who was involved in something very dubious, with catastrophic results. Nor was there time for that anyway. Perfect is the enemy of good. So the powers of a Bondsmith unchained lead to the wounding of every soul on Roshar, maybe you can see why I don't trust just anyone with them.
Jenet Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said: Navani has not done this. She made a huge mistake in giving the Fused Anti-Light and they obviously have the schematics as we know that the Fused are very efficient and effective in that area. I don’t think it’s possible that Raboniel has the Notebook and didn’t share it with another Fused “just in case” What Navani has done to prove herself: - Taking care of the Alethi kingdom in Gavilar's absence or whenever he chose to not care, solving problems, communicating and smoothing over, while not taking credit for this nor blaming Gavilar publicly. - Staying at Kholinar to help ruling the kingdom while everyone else was away fighting for gemhearts at the Shattered Plains. Not taking any credits for it. - Developing weapons that help winning the battle of Narak. - Helping Shallan with her research that ends up in finding the oathgate and Urithiru. Not taking any credits for it. - Running the coalition while Dalinar was out after getting his memories back. Getting the monarchs to talk, finding solutions to motivate everyone of them to cooperate. Motivating the highprinces to believe in the coalition despite the fact that nobody knew what happened to Dalinar. - Getting Urithiru to function, running sanitation, fixing sewage problems, organising trade and lodging, food, delegating responsibility to Sebarial and Aladar. - Saving Queen Fen and her consort in the battle of Thaylen City. - Writing the essay that convinced the Azish to join the coalition. - Organising the resistance in Urithiru. Keeping motivation up. - Saving the Sibling - Finding out about the war light, anti voidlight, the nature of light and vibrations, learning to sing the right tones in the right harmonies and understand the implications of these powers. - Killing Raboniel - Stopping Moash - Freeing Urithiru Her mistakes: Taking notes so that team Odium could use her findings to make the same weapon that she is able to make. 3
Bejarden he/him Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Jenet said: What Navani has done to prove herself: - Taking care of the Alethi kingdom in Gavilar's absence or whenever he chose to not care, solving problems, communicating and smoothing over, while not taking credit for this nor blaming Gavilar publicly. - Staying at Kholinar to help ruling the kingdom while everyone else was away fighting for gemhearts at the Shattered Plains. Not taking any credits for it. - Developing weapons that help winning the battle of Narak. - Helping Shallan with her research that ends up in finding the oathgate and Urithiru. Not taking any credits for it. - Running the coalition while Dalinar was out after getting his memories back. Getting the monarchs to talk, finding solutions to motivate everyone of them to cooperate. Motivating the highprinces to believe in the coalition despite the fact that nobody knew what happened to Dalinar. - Getting Urithiru to function, running sanitation, fixing sewage problems, organising trade and lodging, food, delegating responsibility to Sebarial and Aladar. - Saving Queen Fen and her consort in the battle of Thaylen City. - Writing the essay that convinced the Azish to join the coalition. - Organising the resistance in Urithiru. Keeping motivation up. - Saving the Sibling - Finding out about the war light, anti voidlight, the nature of light and vibrations, learning to sing the right tones in the right harmonies and understand the implications of these powers. - Killing Raboniel - Stopping Moash - Freeing Urithiru Her mistakes: Taking notes so that team Odium could use her findings to make the same weapon that she is able to make. Her mistake: giving the enemy the equivalent of a A-Bomb if used correctly (if a large amounts come in contact) Im gonna say don’t give this person more power she’s fine doing what she’s doing
Jenet Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Bejardin1250 said: Her mistake: giving the enemy the equivalent of a A-Bomb if used correctly (if a large amounts come in contact) Im gonna say don’t give this person more power she’s fine doing what she’s doing So you actually think she just gave the enemy this knowledge? Just like that? You don't think the rest of the story is important? The circumstances? Do you only believe in absolutes? 1
Bejarden he/him Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 Just now, Jenet said: So you actually think she just gave the enemy this knowledge? Just like that? You don't think the rest of the story is important? The circumstances? Do you only believe in absolutes? Yes. There was no reason to invent A-light then. And she even handed over the notebook. She should have ripped it up in Raboniel face at the very least and destroy her work. If this kills her so be it.
Frustration Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, Jenet said: Helping Shallan with her research that ends up in finding the oathgate and Urithiru. Not taking any credits for it. The discovery of Urithiru was the work of Jasnah and Shallan, mostly Jasnah, Navani didn't do anyhting. Jasnah discovered it was on the Shattered plains, Shallan's drawing and a comment form that one Ardent pinpointed the Oathgate, Navani didn't do anything there
Jenet Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 Just now, Frustration said: The discovery of Urithiru was the work of Jasnah and Shallan, mostly Jasnah, Navani didn't do anyhting. Jasnah discovered it was on the Shattered plains, Shallan's drawing and a comment form that one Ardent pinpointed the Oathgate, Navani didn't do anything there Navani provided all her scholars and her own help on their way across the shattered plains, and never took any credit for it, nor wished to take over anything.
Frustration Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 Just now, Jenet said: Navani provided all her scholars and her own help on their way across the shattered plains, and never took any credit for it, nor wished to take over anything. But what did Navani do?
Jenet Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 Just now, Frustration said: But what did Navani do? Providing help, support and resources is an important task that leaders do.
+mdross81 he/him Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 17 minutes ago, Frustration said: I wouldn't trust anyone who uses the power with any regularity unless they were so perfect that the broke beliveability. Now if Honor could be restored and his laws reinforced I would relax my judgement Fair enough. 17 minutes ago, Frustration said: Because Navani didn't actually become a better person, she became more confident, but she has not shown greater restraint. I guess we just disagree. I think Navani's lack of confidence was holding her back from contributing, and I'm glad she was given the opportunity to get off the sidelines (even if under less than ideal circumstances). I don't understand your point about showing greater restraint. It's not as though she has some established trait of lacking restraint. And she did come to question what she was doing in trapping spren and pledged to find a way forward with the Sibling. So she did come to be a better person. 22 minutes ago, Frustration said: Would you disagree with someone who said that Dalinar is all that is good and holy? I see everyone blowing Navani's positives way out of proportion and I have to disagree I would disagree. But I would do so because of evidence from the books, not just because I thought other people were too high on him. 21 minutes ago, Frustration said: Why do you keep bringing the sex of the characters into this? That has nothing to do with the conversation. This is the first time I've mentioned it. And I do so because it's a commonality between the two characters you've expressly said you dislike.
Jenet Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said: Yes. There was no reason to invent A-light then. And she even handed over the notebook. She should have ripped it up in Raboniel face at the very least and destroy her work. If this kills her so be it. And so let the Sibling become Unmade and Urithiru lost to the enemy? 1
Frustration Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Jenet said: Providing help, support and resources is an important task that leaders do. So she didn't actually do anything she just told the people who could actually help. And you wnat me to giver her credit for it. 1 minute ago, mdross81 said: I guess we just disagree. I think Navani's lack of confidence was holding her back from contributing, and I'm glad she was given the opportunity to get off the sidelines (even if under less than ideal circumstances). I don't understand your point about showing greater restraint. It's not as though she has some established trait of lacking restraint. And she did come to question what she was doing in trapping spren and pledged to find a way forward with the Sibling. So she did come to be a better person. I would disagree. But I would do so because of evidence from the books, not just because I thought other people were too high on him. Navani figured out the process to make Anti-light, but still made it when she could have hidden it. 3 minutes ago, mdross81 said: This is the first time I've mentioned it. And I do so because it's a commonality between the two characters you've expressly said you dislike. Someone(I thought it was you sorry if it wasn't) mentioned it at the begining. On the reason, both of their kill counts are in the single didgets.
Bejarden he/him Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) So she can help and support without being very powerful Navani can be a good organizer and not be worthy of being Bondsmith 5 minutes ago, Jenet said: And so let the Sibling become Unmade and Urithiru lost to the enemy? No just don’t create it. If you make mistakes there are consequences. And saying I’m important is not an excuse for what she did. 5 minutes ago, mdross81 said: This is the first time I've mentioned it. And I do so because it's a commonality between the two characters you've expressly said you dislike There is actually a 50% chance of 2 characters being the same gender so... Edited April 9, 2021 by Bejardin1250 Fixed mistaken wording 1
Jenet Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Frustration said: So she didn't actually do anything she just told the people who could actually help. And you wnat me to giver her credit for it. So you think that leaders don't actually do anything? When they use their power to delegate resources to a task? Do you think that a bondsmith's power is personal only? That their ability to get other people to support a task or work together to get something done, then the leader has not done anything? Edited April 9, 2021 by Jenet 2
Infinity Sliver Posted April 9, 2021 Author Posted April 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Frustration said: Navani figured out the process to make Anti-light, but still made it when she could have hidden it. Didnt she try to hide it but was either forced to give it to Raboniel or Raboniel found it? 3 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said: No just don’t invent it. If you make mistakes there are consequences. And saying I’m important is not an excuse for what she did. So,correct me if im wrong cause it's been a while,but,wasnt anti-Light researched also continued because she knew Raboniel was trying to corrupt the Sibling and she needed a way to flush out the VoidLight? Apart from the explosion in her lab 2
Bejarden he/him Posted April 9, 2021 Posted April 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Infinitysliver said: Didnt she try to hide it but was either forced to give it to Raboniel or Raboniel found it? 6 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said: She hid it on her desk. Forgive me if I’m not impressed. 2 minutes ago, Infinitysliver said: Didnt she try to hide it but was either forced to give it to Raboniel or Raboniel found it? So,correct me if im wrong cause it's been a while,but,wasnt anti-Light researched also continued because she knew Raboniel was trying to corrupt the Sibling and she needed a way to flush out the VoidLight? Apart from the explosion in her lab She didn’t need the sphere for this and also didn’t need to keep the instrument where Raboniel can find it. she handed Raboniel the process on a silver platter.
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