MasterK-Bob he/him Posted March 16, 2021 Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) Okay, so it's clear Metal has specific effects on magic throughout the Cosmere based on Dawnshard and RoW. I was just wondering whether that might be true of all magic focuses. It just so happens that Scadrial was a world where the uses of those effects were the heart of the magic system and directly either using those metals as attribute batteries (Feruchemy and Hemalurgy) or realmatic keys (Allomancy) was the main basis of the magic system. Oaths seem to be realmatic keys on Roshar, as people who swear them get infused with stormlight that wasn't already in the physical realm, so there's a parallel there. It seems hemalurgy removes a spiritual connection to a certain attribute and grafts it somewhere else, and we saw Ishar almost do that to Dalinar and his connection to the Stormfather with spiritual adhesion. Most of that was an aside though. Metal seems to have particular effects on magic on Roshar, especially obvious in fabrials, but probably not limited to them. Do we think color might have effects like that, like for awakening, we know you need color, but maybe they're doing it bluntly, and the specific color drained might allow you to do certain things with less breath if the color matches the effect, which is related to gem colors being necessary for certain things for soulcasters, but with enough stormlight, a real lightweaver or elsecaller can probably soulcast with wrong color gem, it's just far less efficient and takes more soul negotiating? So could color have an effect on magic on Scadrial somehow or on Sel, or could specific crystal lattice structures be better for conducting stormlight for specific things? I'm not sure if these questions are clear, but I'm thinking about a lot. Edited March 16, 2021 by MasterK-Bob 1
Frustration Posted March 16, 2021 Posted March 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, MasterK-Bob said: Oaths seem to be realmatic keys on Roshar, as people who swear them get infused with stormlight that wasn't already in the physical realm, so there's a parallel there. That is an effect only for Windrunners, and maybe Bondsmiths Spoiler Questioner What's with Kaladin being special with his oaths that he explodes with power every time he says it? Brandon Sanderson That is a function of Windrunners being very close to Bondsmiths, which has certain effects. Questioner Would other Windrunners also do that, as well? Brandon Sanderson Yep. Oathbringer release party (Nov. 13, 2017) 1
mathiau he/him Posted March 16, 2021 Posted March 16, 2021 Quote Okay, so it's clear Metal has specific effects on magic throughout the Cosmere based on Dawnshard and RoW. I don't remember what Dawnshard had to do with metals, but I'd like to add that silver has magical effects on Threnody and Silverlight. Honestly if the full metal list for Fabrial is not iron, steel, tin, pewter, zinc, bras, copper, bronze, gold, electrum then I bet silver and one of its alloy will be viable. (I'm not counting aluminium as viable for Fabrials because putting aluminium sheets next to gems and using the fact aluminium negate investiture is not the same as drilling aluminium threads in the gem and getting a new effect) Quote a real lightweaver or elsecaller can probably soulcast with wrong color gem They can Soulcast without any gems actually Quote using those metals as attribute batteries (Feruchemy and Hemalurgy) I'm pretty sure they are using metal as both batteries and realmatic keys 1 minute ago, Frustration said: That is an effect only for Windrunners, and maybe Bondsmiths Reveal hidden contents Questioner What's with Kaladin being special with his oaths that he explodes with power every time he says it? Brandon Sanderson That is a function of Windrunners being very close to Bondsmiths, which has certain effects. Questioner Would other Windrunners also do that, as well? Brandon Sanderson Yep. Oathbringer release party (Nov. 13, 2017) That certainly happened to Navani
Parzival Posted March 16, 2021 Posted March 16, 2021 14 minutes ago, mathiau said: I don't remember what Dawnshard had to do with metals, but I'd like to add that silver has magical effects on Threnody and Silverlight. Honestly if the full metal list for Fabrial is not iron, steel, tin, pewter, zinc, bras, copper, bronze, gold, electrum then I bet silver and one of its alloy will be viable. (I'm not counting aluminium as viable for Fabrials because putting aluminium sheets next to gems and using the fact aluminium negate investiture is not the same as drilling aluminium threads in the gem and getting a new effect) Huio accidentally left aluminum in the fabrial cage didn't he? Metal is definitely important, especially cause it is somehow connected or related to souls. Well in RoW they had fabrial cages made out of aluminum, or at least partially aluminum, and I don't think they drill threads through the gems for fabrials, I thought they made metal cages around them 49 minutes ago, MasterK-Bob said: which is related to gem colors being necessary for certain things for soulcasters, but with enough stormlight, a real lightweaver or elsecaller can probably soulcast with wrong color gem, it's just far less efficient and takes more soul negotiating? When a lightweaver or elsecaller soulcasts they are using a power granted through the nahel bond so they just need the investiture from stormlight to fuel their soulcasting, but people who use the soulcaster devices are using the power through the spren forming the soulcaster and to this spren different color gems have a different "flavor" as the sibling says to Navani, and these flavor match certain essenses so they need those color gems for specific soulcastings. 52 minutes ago, MasterK-Bob said: So could color have an effect on magic on Scadrial somehow or on Sel, or could specific crystal lattice structures be better for conducting stormlight for specific things? I'm not sure if these questions are clear, but I'm thinking about a lot. I think it is improbably for color to have much of an affect on scadrian magic cause the metal's alloy or composition is the key to its use, whereas on these other worlds the color is the key at times. Navani doesn't mention it so I'm not certain, but it seems any type of steel works for the fabrial cage so it isn't as restrictive as the exact alloy needed on scadrial for allomancy. There are definitely some parallels between magic systems, but that doesn't necessarily mean there is a parallel to everything in every magic system. These are definitely good questions tho
mathiau he/him Posted March 16, 2021 Posted March 16, 2021 34 minutes ago, Parzival said: Huio accidentally left aluminum in the fabrial cage didn't he? Metal is definitely important, especially cause it is somehow connected or related to souls. I had somehow forgotten Huio did that Quote Well in RoW they had fabrial cages made out of aluminum, or at least partially aluminum, and I don't think they drill threads through the gems for fabrials, I thought they made metal cages around them They do Quote The two metals of primary significance are zinc and brass, which allow you to control expression strength. Zinc wires touching the gemstone will cause the spren inside to more strongly manifest, while brass will cause the spren to withdraw and its power to dim. Remember that a gemstone must be properly infused following the spren’s capture. Drilled holes in the gemstone are ideal for proper use of the cage wires, so long as you don’t crack the structure and risk releasing the spren. (RoW, epigraph of chapter 7) I'm pretty sure for aluminium they use an external cage and not an internal one. And still, aluminium cutting connection doesn't seem like a new effect to me, in the metallics arts aluminium has a magic effect (remove metal, shade corruption and probably other things in you for Allomancy, store Identity for Feruchemy and spikes the remove all powers for Hemalurgy)
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