The First Gem he/him Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 50 minutes ago, Returned said: What we call "atium" on Scadrial is also an alloy (very slightly) in the first place, Wasn’t that just for era one?
The First Gem he/him Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 Preservation's Investiture manifested as lerasium, mists, and the pool at the Well of Ascension. Ruin's Investiture was only manifested as atium, as far as we know. Ruin had black mists and his own perpendicularly which Aledni passes on his way to the well. Also it is said that the perpendicular was placed under the pits of hathsin by Preservation hence Atium geodes
The First Gem he/him Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 35 minutes ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said: I really like all of this. It rings more plausible in my ears that some atium used in Nightbloods original forging is more likely than packing a spike full of breaths. As far breath count goes those were all great points and definately just leave more questions than answers. Awakening is frustrating. Colors are frustrating. We need more Warbreaker books in the cosmere! Especially since we have so many WoB explaining how color specifically is an important and intentional choice in gems and metal and even hair of other cosmere worlds. Ikr. I have been waiting on a WarBreaker sequel for ever!
Returned he/him Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Hoids Wit said: Wasn’t that just for era one? Well, yeah. Though I might phrase it as "before era 1 ended" rather than "just for era 1". Before Sazed Ascended lerasium and the Well already existed, and so atium and the Pits probably did too, all likely as effects of the Shards' Investment into the planet. After Harmony's Ascension there isn't any new atium being created. But the atium that already existed before that still exists, exactly as it was. The atium Marsh still has, for example, still exists and allows him to compound youth in order to stay alive. 11 hours ago, Hoids Wit said: Ruin had black mists and his own perpendicularly which Aledni passes on his way to the well. Also it is said that the perpendicular was placed under the pits of hathsin by Preservation hence Atium geodes Sure, but I'm not sure how relevant the black smoke is to Ruin's manifestation. It seems like that particular thing was more a product of being trapped in the prison Preservation made (we never see it anywhere else), but you're definitely right to point out that Ruin could have had other manifestations than just atium. I mentioned before that atium is all we know about to help constrain our speculation to things that we know about for sure, so that the discussion can be guesses based in known information rather than guesses based on guesses. Black smoke seems hard to work into a sword, but I wouldn't say it's impossible in the Cosmere. And the similarity between the darkness Nightblood constantly leaks and Ruin's black smoke is a good one to note. I don't think that Nightblood leaks Ruin's body, though. Especially because, when we see Nightblood in action on Roshar, Ruin isn't a distinct thing anymore. Making new Ruin-as-black-smoke shouldn't be more possible than making new Ruin-as-atium is. As for the Perpendicularity, it's true that it was located in the Pits. But that's why Ruin's physical manifestation (atium) coalesced there, not a separate physical manifestation. ETA: While looking for something unrelated I found a WoB stating that Ruin's power was entirely condensed into atium and not into other manifestations like the mists, so I think that my position that atium is the only way to get "Ruin's Investiture" into something like Nightblood is still a solid enough one: Quote Chaos (paraphrased) Why is there such an imbalance between the amount of atium and the amount of lerasium in the world? Also, why are atium and lerasium very imbalanced in Allomantic power (Lerasium is far more useful than atium, really)? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) There isn't. Leras is just spread out further. He is in the mists, in the Well, and in the lerasium. Ruin's power however is condensed strictly in atium. Ancient 17S Q&A (May 1, 2010) Also, for future reference, forum guidelines prefer that additional information be edited into a post rather than double-posting, even if responding to multiple points, posts, or posters. Edited October 26, 2022 by Returned 1
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