discuss RoW Discoveries' Implications for Other Shardworlds

[Halyo_Alex he/him]

Pretty much exactly what the title says; I just wanted a single topic/thread to discuss and theorize/hypothesize what stuff like the Pure Tones and Rhythms might mean for Investiture on other worlds.

The main one that spurred me to make this thread is: Can you use the Song (Pure Tone + Rhythm) of Preservation to draw in and burn the Mists of Preservation, even if you don't have the same Connection to Preservation that Vin had in the Final Empire? We see that the Pure Tones alone can guide the Lights of the corresponding shard into different containers, so would adding the Rhythm and making the Song of Preservation attract the Mists strongly enough to be consumed by an Allomancer?

...Could you do the same with the Song and Mists of Ruin to fuel Atium Allomancy without needing physical Atium???

See, these thoughts are why I make topics like this, I need to know if I'm completely off-base or not, bring in some other thoughts and see if I'm onto something by thinking in weird directions.

[ArchangelCaesar]

I think the manipulation of Preservation and Ruin's mists is possible, since they are simply gaseous Investiture (from my impression). However, it still would only be possible to do this as a Mistborn. It is possible some version of this is what happened at the end of Mistborn: Final Empire

[Halyo_Alex he/him]

8 minutes ago, ArchangelCaesar said:

I think the manipulation of Preservation and Ruin's mists is possible, since they are simply gaseous Investiture (from my impression). However, it still would only be possible to do this as a Mistborn. It is possible some version of this is what happened at the end of Mistborn: Final Empire

Yeah, you would need the sufficient Connection to the Shards to actually do stuff with the Investiture you draw in using the Songs.

[Stormtide_Leviathan]

1 hour ago, Halyo_Alex said:

Yeah, you would need the sufficient Connection to the Shards to actually do stuff with the Investiture you draw in using the Songs.

I'm pretty sure some metals, duralumin specifically, could do exactly that

[Proletariat]

The rhythms are probably universal, and I reckon you could fiddle with Preservationlight i.e mist and put it in a gem. But having it in a gem isn't enough for using it on Roshar, so yeah peeps are probably right and you would need to be an allomancer of some kind to use it. Though considering the plants that were nurtured with Stormlight, then maybe you could make globes of concentrated mist that acted like fridges for food? Or slow people's aging while they sleep? Kept them in stasis?

Also I wonder if the gems, rhythms, raysium daggers etc. create a basis on which you could take Breaths from others on Nalthis without their permission, or from items that have been awakened? Or even from Lifeless? It's so much more sticky to people than others, but we have seen a method for extracting gaseous investiture now that doesn't involve death. 

 

[Halyo_Alex he/him]

10 hours ago, Proletariat said:

The rhythms are probably universal, and I reckon you could fiddle with Preservationlight i.e mist and put it in a gem. But having it in a gem isn't enough for using it on Roshar, so yeah peeps are probably right and you would need to be an allomancer of some kind to use it. Though considering the plants that were nurtured with Stormlight, then maybe you could make globes of concentrated mist that acted like fridges for food? Or slow people's aging while they sleep? Kept them in stasis?

I think you could use it for a few things, but the plants thing involved using a Rhythm to transfer Stormlight into Lifespren, which then nurtured the plants. So we'd probably need Spren made of mixes of Preservation and Ruin to be made before you could do the same thing on Scadrial... But if you took the Mistlight back to Roshar, well... We do know about Mistspren, after all.

10 hours ago, Proletariat said:

Also I wonder if the gems, rhythms, raysium daggers etc. create a basis on which you could take Breaths from others on Nalthis without their permission, or from items that have been awakened? Or even from Lifeless? It's so much more sticky to people than others, but we have seen a method for extracting gaseous investiture now that doesn't involve death.

My current theory on Raysium is that it's sort of like Ferromagnetism but for Investiture, with a "north" (positive) and "south" (negative) pole that causes Investiture to flow through it as if pulled by a pressure differential. So yeah, you might be able to steal Breaths with it.