Do you think that there are temporary arcane arts in the Cosmere?

[+Oltux72 he/him]

All the arcane arts we have seen are permanent. The Initations are vastly different, but your powers stay if you do nothing. You can give away your Breaths or break your oaths. But there is no need to renew them.

So let's suppose there is a Shard of Decadence (just as an example - I am not saying that it exists). You power your arcane art with Joylight which you create by hedonistic acts. You can store it. Yet your exact power is determined by an act of intoxication which generates an effect for a few weeks. And then you may or may not repeat it, but you may get another power.
Are there realmatic reasons Intiation needs to be permanent and this example would not work?

[scyron he/him]

Silence Divine is supposed have a magic system where people gain powers when they are sick and then lose them when they get better. So that may be a future example of what you're talking about. Of course that could always change depending on when and if Sanderson writes it but I think that idea is interesting because like you said we don't see that kind of thing very often. It'd be cool to have a more open magic system where anyone could gain powers under certain conditions.

Edited November 27, 2020 by scyron

[+Oltux72 he/him]

9 hours ago, scyron said:

Silence Divine is supposed have a magic system where people gain powers when they are sick and then lose them when they get better. So that may be a future example of what you're talking about.

Not really The bond is breaking due to the death of one of the symbionts.

9 hours ago, scyron said:

Of course that could always change depending on when and if Sanderson writes it but I think that idea is interesting because like you said we don't see that kind of thing very often. It'd be cool to have a more open magic system where anyone could gain powers under certain conditions.

Sand Mastery is a bit like that. You form a temporary bond to control the sand. But you still need an initiation. Not everybody is a Sand Master. Yet it is still sort of permanent. Once a Sandmaster you stay one unless you do something stupid.

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

Breath, kind of. Anyone can acquire it and anyone can lose it.

[Kramerfarve]

It would be somewhat interesting to see a magic system dependent completely on chance, where its something similar to those assorted flavor bags of jelly beans, but each looks exactly the same, and instead of flavors they come with different effects, good and bad.

[+Oltux72 he/him]

On 29.11.2020 at 8:07 AM, Kingsdaughter613 said:

Breath, kind of. Anyone can acquire it and anyone can lose it.

Well, yes, to an extent. And apparently everybody in their region except in Arelon is a potential practitioner of the regional arcane art. But there is no element of chance while fulfilling the conditions, except in Elantris and that is artificial.