Chinkoln he/him Posted November 3, 2020 Posted November 3, 2020 I was rereading The Stormlight Archive in preparation for The Rhythm of War release, and I thought that Kaladin has one major restriction, he is tied up in his past failures. He can never get past them. This reminds me of an Epic in the Reckoners. The spoiler below will tell the epic's name, DON'T OPEN UNLESS YOU HAVE READ THE SERIES. Spoiler Prof's weakness is failure; he can't operate when he fails or is confronted with past failures. If a character in the Cosmere manifested Epic powers, what would each of their weaknesses be, and what is your reasoning? PS: I am sorry if this is in the wrong discussion board, I wasn't sure where to put it if it spans both Cosmere and Non-Cosmere books, just tell me where I need to move it or do it yourself if you have that power. Thanks!
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) General Brandon, maybe? Vin’s biggest fear is being abandoned, so make her feel alone? Kell is the tricky one; he’s a neurological psychopath and doesn’t fear very much. The only time we’ve really seen him afraid is when he’s about to lose someone he loves. Which means the only way to beat Kell is to find someone he loves and endanger them. Ouch. Kell is probably the most dangerous as an Epic. He’s already a psychopath, and then you give him a double dose of psychopathy... odds are he kills the people he loves so they can’t be used against him. And then just leaves his empathy off, leaving him with no weaknesses. Elend fears becoming like his father. So he’d be a powerless Epic, lol. Every time he starts hitting the Epic mindset, his fear kicks in and he loses his powers. Spook fears being inadequate and useless. So you’d have to make him feel weak. I’m not sure what Marsh fears most. Nor Saze. Edited November 8, 2020 by Kingsdaughter613
Kings_way he/they Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 Sixth of the Dusk's weakness would be talking to people Steris's would probably be feeling useless and unneeded. Dalinar's would be feeling bloodlust, which would be similar to Elend's in that using his powers would probably take them away.
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted November 8, 2020 Posted November 8, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 0:33 PM, Kings_way said: Sixth of the Dusk's weakness would be talking to people Steris's would probably be feeling useless and unneeded. Dalinar's would be feeling bloodlust, which would be similar to Elend's in that using his powers would probably take them away. I don’t think Dalinar fears his bloodlust though. I think he fears his guilt. That’s what Odium tempted him with, and that’s what he faced and surpassed. So Dalinar’s epic weakness would be guilt.
i’m in the details Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 1:39 AM, Kingsdaughter613 said: Kell is the tricky one; he’s a neurological psychopath I don’t think this is a fair assumption. Kel is shown on multiple occasions that he cares about vin and the crew. Enough that he endangered his mission to save the man Vin loves, not even her but the man she loves. That shows a great deal of empathy, which proves he’s not a psychopath or even a sociopath. More likely he’s a narcissist with extreme anger problems. I don’t like slapping a psych term on characters anytime they act a certain way. I feel as though that limits the characters. Especially because I don’t want Kelsier to be the bad guy in the cosmere, he’s ruthless no doubt and selfish too, but not evil.
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, i’m in the details said: I don’t think this is a fair assumption. Kel is shown on multiple occasions that he cares about vin and the crew. Enough that he endangered his mission to save the man Vin loves, not even her but the man she loves. That shows a great deal of empathy, which proves he’s not a psychopath or even a sociopath. More likely he’s a narcissist with extreme anger problems. I don’t like slapping a psych term on characters anytime they act a certain way. I feel as though that limits the characters. Especially because I don’t want Kelsier to be the bad guy in the cosmere, he’s ruthless no doubt and selfish too, but not evil. One: Brandon has said this. Two: WHY do people think neurological psychopaths are evil? A lot of them, even most, are law abiding individuals who are as good or evil as anyone else. Quite a few end up SURGEONS, ie. regularly saving lives. Psychopathy is a scale. Some have more empathy naturally and others have less. They’re born, not made. It’s a NEUROLOGICAL difference. Like autism or Down’s Syndrome. They can’t help what they are, only what they choose to be. No one is evil just for being born different. Kelsier is a neurological psychopath, not a clinical one. He was born the way he is. That doesn’t make him evil; that just means he’s not neurotypical. His brain is just wired in a manner that makes empathizing with individuals - or even recognizing them as people - outside his immediate circle difficult. And just to note: psychopath is NOT a clinical term. Clinically speaking Kelsier could have NPD. He does not have ASPD, which is what clinical psychopaths are usually diagnosed as. I don’t think Kell will be a villain in the Cosmere. I think he’ll remain chaotic neutral and good or evil will depend on perspective. Specifically, I think he’ll remain a Mistborn protagonist, but he may be an antagonist or neutral force on other worlds. Edited December 16, 2020 by Kingsdaughter613
Chinkoln he/him Posted December 17, 2020 Author Posted December 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: I don’t think Kell will be a villain in the Cosmere. I think he’ll remain chaotic neutral and good or evil will depend on perspective. Specifically, I think he’ll remain a Mistborn protagonist, but he may be an antagonist or neutral force on other worlds. I agree that he will remain chaotic neutral, but we don't know for sure. He has had 300 years to develop traits and goals. It is very possible that Secret History Spoiler Kelsier may envy the power that he once held. He might want to try and claim a Shard .
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted December 17, 2020 Posted December 17, 2020 Just now, Chinkoln said: I agree that he will remain chaotic neutral, but we don't know for sure. He has had 300 years to develop traits and goals. It is very possible that Secret History Hide contents Kelsier may envy the power that he once held. He might want to try and claim a Shard . I don’t think he wants one. Power is just a way of keeping score. If he DID hold a Shard, he’d quickly get bored and drop it. Or pit himself in battles of wits against other Shards for the challenge. He lives for the con.
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