kaellok he/him Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 Not sure if due to over-work and lack of sleep but still trying to finish Oathbringer before November kicks in and work really destroys my life so that I can also sneak in chapters of RoW after it releases, but I've noticed something which I'm not sure how intentional it is. Odium says he's all about passion. The Fused are willing to overlook people (no matter species) who have passion, as long as they also show servility when required. Certain Unmade are known to greatly inflame specific passions in people--Nergaoul with the Thrill, Ashertmarn with Excess. Odium also encourages people to blame their actions while impassioned on him--saying that he is the one who is responsible. When he visits Dalinar the first time in the vision of the Recreance that he is sharing with the Prime of Azir, Odium possibly hints that he is responsible for the actions. Not in so many words, but again he says that they were acting with great passion on that day. It's pretty obvious that Moash is being set up for future story stuff. And one of his chapters follows rapidly after Teft's relapse with firemoss. The emotions, and the words that they each use to describe how they are individually feeling, are remarkably similar. Moash is feeling nothing, hollowed out, wondering why the literal end of the world would cause any actual change. Teft can't feel anything except numb and hollow until he makes it into the darkened room with a bowl of moss. The Blackthorn Who Was some 22 years ago in a time of relative peace was desperately trying to fill the void of the missing Thrill with firemoss. At times, even after he has glutted on the Thrill, when it leaves him he is not sated. So! I posit that either this was all done deliberately to show readers the physically addictive properties of the Thrill, or that firemoss is actually the body of the 'missing' Unmade Chemoarish. This would explain that Unmade is inexplicably absent, as well as accounting for the people conflating myths and stories with it and the Nightwatcher (because, you know, plants). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless he/him Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 Firemoss is a bit weird with how easily it catches fire but I think that might just be the result of Rosharan flora and fauna having a symbiotic relationship with spren. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vessel of Theory he/him Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 5 hours ago, kaellok said: Not sure if due to over-work and lack of sleep but still trying to finish Oathbringer before November kicks in and work really destroys my life so that I can also sneak in chapters of RoW after it releases, but I've noticed something which I'm not sure how intentional it is. Odium says he's all about passion. The Fused are willing to overlook people (no matter species) who have passion, as long as they also show servility when required. Certain Unmade are known to greatly inflame specific passions in people--Nergaoul with the Thrill, Ashertmarn with Excess. Odium also encourages people to blame their actions while impassioned on him--saying that he is the one who is responsible. When he visits Dalinar the first time in the vision of the Recreance that he is sharing with the Prime of Azir, Odium possibly hints that he is responsible for the actions. Not in so many words, but again he says that they were acting with great passion on that day. It's pretty obvious that Moash is being set up for future story stuff. And one of his chapters follows rapidly after Teft's relapse with firemoss. The emotions, and the words that they each use to describe how they are individually feeling, are remarkably similar. Moash is feeling nothing, hollowed out, wondering why the literal end of the world would cause any actual change. Teft can't feel anything except numb and hollow until he makes it into the darkened room with a bowl of moss. The Blackthorn Who Was some 22 years ago in a time of relative peace was desperately trying to fill the void of the missing Thrill with firemoss. At times, even after he has glutted on the Thrill, when it leaves him he is not sated. So! I posit that either this was all done deliberately to show readers the physically addictive properties of the Thrill, or that firemoss is actually the body of the 'missing' Unmade Chemoarish. This would explain that Unmade is inexplicably absent, as well as accounting for the people conflating myths and stories with it and the Nightwatcher (because, you know, plants). I like this... really like it, this is great! I don't think we know enough either way to prove or disprove that Chemoarish the Unmade is not firemoss... It might not be the presence of the Unmade that makes Dalinar, Moash, and Teft all feel the same way when they go to firemoss, but maybe that feeling the way they do is what draws them to the firemoss. Either way, right or wrong, this is a really fun theory 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellac Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Honorless said: Firemoss is a bit weird with how easily it catches fire but I think that might just be the result of Rosharan flora and fauna having a symbiotic relationship with spren. It might also be because Roshar has higher Oxygen concentration than most planets in the cosmere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vessel of Theory he/him Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, Nellac said: It might also be because Roshar has higher Oxygen concentration than most planets in the cosmere. Wait... So the lowlanders really are airsick?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaellok he/him Posted October 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Vessel of Theory said: I like this... really like it, this is great! I don't think we know enough either way to prove or disprove that Chemoarish the Unmade is not firemoss... It might not be the presence of the Unmade that makes Dalinar, Moash, and Teft all feel the same way when they go to firemoss, but maybe that feeling the way they do is what draws them to the firemoss. Either way, right or wrong, this is a really fun theory Yeah. I think that I don't think it's actually correct, simply because that might then be attributing too much of humanity's foibles to the influence of Odium instead of themselves. But aside from that, I think that there's a fair amount of similarity with a couple of other things that happen on other worlds--even if those instances are very distinctly different than 'Firemoss is Chemoarish!' would be. 3 hours ago, Vessel of Theory said: Wait... So the lowlanders really are airsick?? Yes! Did you think that Numuhukumakiaki'aialunamor was a liar when he was diagnosing his friends and other people he came into contact with?! The man is a doctor! (Note: for the previous sentence only, doctor = chef, and not doctor.) (For real, though, they might not be airsick, but Sanderson has said in WoB that there's a much higher volume of oxygen than we're used to on Roshar. This is called out again in the brief survey of the system presented in Arcanum Unbounded: The Cosmere Collection just prior to the novella Edgedancer. Which also means that @Honorless is right, in that it's probably just from a weird interaction of a property with the moss and the high oxygen environment. I just find that to be the boring and predictable route to take.) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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