This_Is_Samer Posted October 17, 2020 Posted October 17, 2020 Hi guys, I just finished the first reading of Oathbringer, just in time before the release of Novella 3.5 and Book 4, and I am delving through this forum to read theories now that I am caught up on the SA books. I am planning to listen to OB on Graphic Audio soon but starting with the last 35 chapters or so, I started taking notes on some of the unclear things to me. I am reading analysis articles about the book and the various events, but thought to ask you here the questions I have in mind because I am sure I have missed most of these answers. So thank you again for those who have some answers to the below: [SPOILERS BELOW FOR OATHBRINGER] . 1- Interlude I-7: Venli mentions that the Alethi mistakenly thought that the greatshells were the gods of the singers. Has this been discussed elsewhere? Is there more info on this point? 2- Interlude I-10: Is the Hog that attacks Sheler a greatshell or a new animal? 3- Interlude I-11: Did Venli bond two spren: the voidspren in her gemheart and Timbre? Can humans and other singers do the same or is it a unique case for Venli? 4- Ch89: Are Nightblood and Vivenna / Azure's sword shardblades? Do swords on Nalthis and Roshar contain the same type of Investiture? 5- Ch 89: Can a certain type of shardblades be summoned / used in Shadesmar: Honorblades, Dead Shardblades, Sprenblades? 6- Ch 92: Why do some people call Szeth by his dad's name (Neturo) and others by his grandfather's name (Valano)? 7- Ch 92: What does Szeth mean that he knew a voice similar to Nightblood's in his youth? We probably have to wait to his flashbacks to know more? 8- Ch 92: Why does Nightblood only burn eyes on Roshar? 9- Ch 92: Is Shashara from Nalthis the same person as Shalash on Roshar? 10- Ch 92: Is Nightblood's consumption of Stormlight on Roshar the same mechanism as him consuming Breaths on Nalthis - as both are types of Investiture? Is Nightblood a spren on Roshar? 11- Ch 99: Do the Spren use the copper on the ship in Shadesmar to communicate through vibration? Is this related to some Cosmere metallic quality (Should I find something in Mistborn about this)? 12- Ch 100: Why can't Dalinar use the Stormfather as a shardblade? 13- Ch 100: What is the metal that falls from the sky and can block a shardblade (is it also a reference to a metal from Mistborn)? 14- Ch 100: Why do Vedens look Alethi but speak a foreign tongue? 15- Ch 101: Are screaming blades only the ones left during the Recreance by the Knights Radiant? 16- Ch 101: Do we know who Ico's daughter is? 17- Ch 106: What does Nin mean when he tells Szeth: "The others must interpret what they have sworn before and I hope they will see the truth?" 18- Ch 108: Mythica book mentions that the Midnight Mother was destroyed at Aharietiam. How is she still in Urithiru? 19- Ch 109: What does Venli mean when she says that the spren betrayed the singers for the humans? 20- Ch 114: Why did the Nightwatcher call Dalinar both son of Honor and son of Odium? 21- Ch 114: How does the Nightwatcher know about Nightblood? 22- Ch 114: When Dalinar returned after meeting Cultivation, he hears only leaves rustling and thinks he should hear something else. What should have he heard? Screams of children? 23- Ch 115: Does Odium change his appearance depending on who sees him - Dalinar sees him human, Venli sees him as a parshman? 24- Ch 116: What are the yellow spren leading the Fused? 25- Ch 117: Why did Lift say that the Nightwatcher lied to her? 26- Ch 119: In the battle of Thaylen Field, there were 3 Un-made? The 2 in the Thunderclasts and Yelig-Nar as the Black Smoke, or there were any additional ones? 27- Ch 120: Amaram's transformation of the ground to liquid after ingesting the crystal (Yalig-Nar??) - is that some form of Voidbinding? 28- Ch 121: Why did the Fused instruct Moash to kill Jezrien? 29- Ch 122: What does Adrotagia mean when she tells Taravangian: "The Herald's insanity prompted us?" 30- Ch 122: Is Renarin's spren, Glys, still corrupted after the end of OB? 31- Ch 122: How did Jezrien's honorblade go from Szeth to Leshwi (who then gives it to Moash?) 32- Ch 122: Nohadon knew how to write and read. When did the men stop reading and writing? 33- Ch 122: Why did Dalinar "accept the sword "only through the cloth"? What does it mean? Thank you for answering any of these; I know they are too many to be all answered by one contributor 4
rhythmwraith he/him Posted October 17, 2020 Posted October 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, This_Is_Samer said: Hi guys, I just finished the first reading of Oathbringer, just in time before the release of Novella 3.5 and Book 4, and I am delving through this forum to read theories now that I am caught up on the SA books. I am planning to listen to OB on Graphic Audio soon but starting with the last 35 chapters or so, I started taking notes on some of the unclear things to me. I am reading analysis articles about the book and the various events, but thought to ask you here the questions I have in mind because I am sure I have missed most of these answers. So thank you again for those who have some answers to the below: [SPOILERS BELOW FOR OATHBRINGER] . 1- Interlude I-7: Venli mentions that the Alethi mistakenly thought that the greatshells were the gods of the singers. Has this been discussed elsewhere? Is there more info on this point? 2- Interlude I-10: Is the Hog that attacks Sheler a greatshell or a new animal? 3- Interlude I-11: Did Venli bond two spren: the voidspren in her gemheart and Timbre? Can humans and other singers do the same or is it a unique case for Venli? 4- Ch89: Are Nightblood and Vivenna / Azure's sword shardblades? Do swords on Nalthis and Roshar contain the same type of Investiture? 5- Ch 89: Can a certain type of shardblades be summoned / used in Shadesmar: Honorblades, Dead Shardblades, Sprenblades? 6- Ch 92: Why do some people call Szeth by his dad's name (Neturo) and others by his grandfather's name (Valano)? 7- Ch 92: What does Szeth mean that he knew a voice similar to Nightblood's in his youth? We probably have to wait to his flashbacks to know more? 8- Ch 92: Why does Nightblood only burn eyes on Roshar? 9- Ch 92: Is Shashara from Nalthis the same person as Shalash on Roshar? 10- Ch 92: Is Nightblood's consumption of Stormlight on Roshar the same mechanism as him consuming Breaths on Nalthis - as both are types of Investiture? Is Nightblood a spren on Roshar? 11- Ch 99: Do the Spren use the copper on the ship in Shadesmar to communicate through vibration? Is this related to some Cosmere metallic quality (Should I find something in Mistborn about this)? 12- Ch 100: Why can't Dalinar use the Stormfather as a shardblade? 13- Ch 100: What is the metal that falls from the sky and can block a shardblade (is it also a reference to a metal from Mistborn)? 14- Ch 100: Why do Vedens look Alethi but speak a foreign tongue? 15- Ch 101: Are screaming blades only the ones left during the Recreance by the Knights Radiant? 16- Ch 101: Do we know who Ico's daughter is? 17- Ch 106: What does Nin mean when he tells Szeth: "The others must interpret what they have sworn before and I hope they will see the truth?" 18- Ch 108: Mythica book mentions that the Midnight Mother was destroyed at Aharietiam. How is she still in Urithiru? 19- Ch 109: What does Venli mean when she says that the spren betrayed the singers for the humans? 20- Ch 114: Why did the Nightwatcher call Dalinar both son of Honor and son of Odium? 21- Ch 114: How does the Nightwatcher know about Nightblood? 22- Ch 114: When Dalinar returned after meeting Cultivation, he hears only leaves rustling and thinks he should hear something else. What should have he heard? Screams of children? 23- Ch 115: Does Odium change his appearance depending on who sees him - Dalinar sees him human, Venli sees him as a parshman? 24- Ch 116: What are the yellow spren leading the Fused? 25- Ch 117: Why did Lift say that the Nightwatcher lied to her? 26- Ch 119: In the battle of Thaylen Field, there were 3 Un-made? The 2 in the Thunderclasts and Yelig-Nar as the Black Smoke, or there were any additional ones? 27- Ch 120: Amaram's transformation of the ground to liquid after ingesting the crystal (Yalig-Nar??) - is that some form of Voidbinding? 28- Ch 121: Why did the Fused instruct Moash to kill Jezrien? 29- Ch 122: What does Adrotagia mean when she tells Taravangian: "The Herald's insanity prompted us?" 30- Ch 122: Is Renarin's spren, Glys, still corrupted after the end of OB? 31- Ch 122: How did Jezrien's honorblade go from Szeth to Leshwi (who then gives it to Moash?) 32- Ch 122: Nohadon knew how to write and read. When did the men stop reading and writing? 33- Ch 122: Why did Dalinar "accept the sword "only through the cloth"? What does it mean? Thank you for answering any of these; I know they are too many to be all answered by one contributor 9- Shashara is one of the five scholars from nalthis (along with vasher, denth, arsteel and yesteel). Shalash (or Ash) is Jezrien’s daughter and is also one of the heralds. 16- it is strongly theorised that Ico’s daughter is timbre (venli’s spren). Timbre mentions that the radiants did something to her grandfather and we see Ico’s father is a deadeye. 27- Yelig-nar gives access to all the surges (I think) so that was amaram using the surge of cohesion. There’s a lot of confusion about what constitutes voidbinding currently but as far as I know it’ll be covered in ROW. 33- I can’t quite remember the context for this one but it seems like he takes it through the cloth because if he touches it directly, it screams.
This_Is_Samer Posted October 17, 2020 Author Posted October 17, 2020 28 minutes ago, rhythmwraith said: 9- Shashara is one of the five scholars from nalthis (along with vasher, denth, arsteel and yesteel). Shalash (or Ash) is Jezrien’s daughter and is also one of the heralds. 16- it is strongly theorised that Ico’s daughter is timbre (venli’s spren). Timbre mentions that the radiants did something to her grandfather and we see Ico’s father is a deadeye. 27- Yelig-nar gives access to all the surges (I think) so that was amaram using the surge of cohesion. There’s a lot of confusion about what constitutes voidbinding currently but as far as I know it’ll be covered in ROW. 33- I can’t quite remember the context for this one but it seems like he takes it through the cloth because if he touches it directly, it screams. Many thanks for your answers. Those are clearer now
Nae'blis Posted October 17, 2020 Posted October 17, 2020 5 hours ago, This_Is_Samer said: Hi guys, I just finished the first reading of Oathbringer, just in time before the release of Novella 3.5 and Book 4, and I am delving through this forum to read theories now that I am caught up on the SA books. I am planning to listen to OB on Graphic Audio soon but starting with the last 35 chapters or so, I started taking notes on some of the unclear things to me. I am reading analysis articles about the book and the various events, but thought to ask you here the questions I have in mind because I am sure I have missed most of these answers. So thank you again for those who have some answers to the below: [SPOILERS BELOW FOR OATHBRINGER] . 1- Interlude I-7: Venli mentions that the Alethi mistakenly thought that the greatshells were the gods of the singers. Has this been discussed elsewhere? Is there more info on this point? 2- Interlude I-10: Is the Hog that attacks Sheler a greatshell or a new animal? 3- Interlude I-11: Did Venli bond two spren: the voidspren in her gemheart and Timbre? Can humans and other singers do the same or is it a unique case for Venli? 4- Ch89: Are Nightblood and Vivenna / Azure's sword shardblades? Do swords on Nalthis and Roshar contain the same type of Investiture? 5- Ch 89: Can a certain type of shardblades be summoned / used in Shadesmar: Honorblades, Dead Shardblades, Sprenblades? 6- Ch 92: Why do some people call Szeth by his dad's name (Neturo) and others by his grandfather's name (Valano)? 7- Ch 92: What does Szeth mean that he knew a voice similar to Nightblood's in his youth? We probably have to wait to his flashbacks to know more? 8- Ch 92: Why does Nightblood only burn eyes on Roshar? 9- Ch 92: Is Shashara from Nalthis the same person as Shalash on Roshar? 10- Ch 92: Is Nightblood's consumption of Stormlight on Roshar the same mechanism as him consuming Breaths on Nalthis - as both are types of Investiture? Is Nightblood a spren on Roshar? 11- Ch 99: Do the Spren use the copper on the ship in Shadesmar to communicate through vibration? Is this related to some Cosmere metallic quality (Should I find something in Mistborn about this)? 12- Ch 100: Why can't Dalinar use the Stormfather as a shardblade? 13- Ch 100: What is the metal that falls from the sky and can block a shardblade (is it also a reference to a metal from Mistborn)? 14- Ch 100: Why do Vedens look Alethi but speak a foreign tongue? 15- Ch 101: Are screaming blades only the ones left during the Recreance by the Knights Radiant? 16- Ch 101: Do we know who Ico's daughter is? 17- Ch 106: What does Nin mean when he tells Szeth: "The others must interpret what they have sworn before and I hope they will see the truth?" 18- Ch 108: Mythica book mentions that the Midnight Mother was destroyed at Aharietiam. How is she still in Urithiru? 19- Ch 109: What does Venli mean when she says that the spren betrayed the singers for the humans? 20- Ch 114: Why did the Nightwatcher call Dalinar both son of Honor and son of Odium? 21- Ch 114: How does the Nightwatcher know about Nightblood? 22- Ch 114: When Dalinar returned after meeting Cultivation, he hears only leaves rustling and thinks he should hear something else. What should have he heard? Screams of children? 23- Ch 115: Does Odium change his appearance depending on who sees him - Dalinar sees him human, Venli sees him as a parshman? 24- Ch 116: What are the yellow spren leading the Fused? 25- Ch 117: Why did Lift say that the Nightwatcher lied to her? 26- Ch 119: In the battle of Thaylen Field, there were 3 Un-made? The 2 in the Thunderclasts and Yelig-Nar as the Black Smoke, or there were any additional ones? 27- Ch 120: Amaram's transformation of the ground to liquid after ingesting the crystal (Yalig-Nar??) - is that some form of Voidbinding? 28- Ch 121: Why did the Fused instruct Moash to kill Jezrien? 29- Ch 122: What does Adrotagia mean when she tells Taravangian: "The Herald's insanity prompted us?" 30- Ch 122: Is Renarin's spren, Glys, still corrupted after the end of OB? 31- Ch 122: How did Jezrien's honorblade go from Szeth to Leshwi (who then gives it to Moash?) 32- Ch 122: Nohadon knew how to write and read. When did the men stop reading and writing? 33- Ch 122: Why did Dalinar "accept the sword "only through the cloth"? What does it mean? Thank you for answering any of these; I know they are too many to be all answered by one contributor 3) Venli did bond two sprens. A void spren that gave her new form and timbre who makes her a radiant. As to whether other humans can do it or not, Brandon has mentioned it as theoretically possible though i dont think we will see this(personal opinion). Other listeners could have multiple bond. 4)Azures sword is not a shardblade, though it is hinted it is desinged after the shard blade. Nalthis and Roshar have magic systems that can substitute each other easily. 9) There are two people. 10) Nightblood when unsheated will drain any type of investiture including souls. Yes the process is similar. Every object has a spren ig. (not sure)But nightblood isnt 'a' spren. 12) I believe its a restriction on bondsmith order. Their powers arent meant for destruction, for unity hence they dont get a blade. 14) Well, Vedens i believe have red hair and is paler. not sure on llanguage. 15) Yes, the ones the ones whose oaths were broken. So all the shard blades before the new radiants. 16)Timbre . 17) Not sure but i believe he is saying szeth that all must act according to what they believe their oaths mean them to, and hopes they follow him. 18) Deatroyed as maybe captured in Urithiru and no longer a threath. 19) Roshar was once inhibated with listeners and spren lived with them. Humans came and began the desolation. Howerver for some reason they changed sides and joined humans leading to formation of radiant orders. 20) He was nurtured by odium to be his champion. And i believe being a resident of roshar or being a radiant makes u a child of honor(kaladin is reffered as son of tanavast). 22) he cant hear his wifes name when spoken by someone else. 24) Ig its a void spren. 25) That he wont kill her. 26) The thrill was the unmade there. Thunderclast arent unmade. And the araman bonded unmade 27) Most probably. yes 28) They saw passion in him and ig it is stated somewhere they are afraid to be near jezeiren. 30) yes 31) kaladin had collected it from szeth at the end of wor. Taravagian stole it from bridge 4 and maybe gave leshwi after odiums visit 33) if he touched directly he will hear the screams of the dead spren.
This_Is_Samer Posted October 17, 2020 Author Posted October 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Nae'blis said: 3) Venli did bond two sprens. A void spren that gave her new form and timbre who makes her a radiant. As to whether other humans can do it or not, Brandon has mentioned it as theoretically possible though i dont think we will see this(personal opinion). Other listeners could have multiple bond. 4)Azures sword is not a shardblade, though it is hinted it is desinged after the shard blade. Nalthis and Roshar have magic systems that can substitute each other easily. 9) There are two people. 10) Nightblood when unsheated will drain any type of investiture including souls. Yes the process is similar. Every object has a spren ig. (not sure)But nightblood isnt 'a' spren. 12) I believe its a restriction on bondsmith order. Their powers arent meant for destruction, for unity hence they dont get a blade. 14) Well, Vedens i believe have red hair and is paler. not sure on llanguage. 15) Yes, the ones the ones whose oaths were broken. So all the shard blades before the new radiants. 16)Timbre . 17) Not sure but i believe he is saying szeth that all must act according to what they believe their oaths mean them to, and hopes they follow him. 18) Deatroyed as maybe captured in Urithiru and no longer a threath. 19) Roshar was once inhibated with listeners and spren lived with them. Humans came and began the desolation. Howerver for some reason they changed sides and joined humans leading to formation of radiant orders. 20) He was nurtured by odium to be his champion. And i believe being a resident of roshar or being a radiant makes u a child of honor(kaladin is reffered as son of tanavast). 22) he cant hear his wifes name when spoken by someone else. 24) Ig its a void spren. 25) That he wont kill her. 26) The thrill was the unmade there. Thunderclast arent unmade. And the araman bonded unmade 27) Most probably. yes 28) They saw passion in him and ig it is stated somewhere they are afraid to be near jezeiren. 30) yes 31) kaladin had collected it from szeth at the end of wor. Taravagian stole it from bridge 4 and maybe gave leshwi after odiums visit 33) if he touched directly he will hear the screams of the dead spren. Thank you for the details!
This_Is_Samer Posted October 17, 2020 Author Posted October 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Nae'blis said: 3) Venli did bond two sprens. A void spren that gave her new form and timbre who makes her a radiant. As to whether other humans can do it or not, Brandon has mentioned it as theoretically possible though i dont think we will see this(personal opinion). Other listeners could have multiple bond. 4)Azures sword is not a shardblade, though it is hinted it is desinged after the shard blade. Nalthis and Roshar have magic systems that can substitute each other easily. 9) There are two people. 10) Nightblood when unsheated will drain any type of investiture including souls. Yes the process is similar. Every object has a spren ig. (not sure)But nightblood isnt 'a' spren. 12) I believe its a restriction on bondsmith order. Their powers arent meant for destruction, for unity hence they dont get a blade. 14) Well, Vedens i believe have red hair and is paler. not sure on llanguage. 15) Yes, the ones the ones whose oaths were broken. So all the shard blades before the new radiants. 16)Timbre . 17) Not sure but i believe he is saying szeth that all must act according to what they believe their oaths mean them to, and hopes they follow him. 18) Deatroyed as maybe captured in Urithiru and no longer a threath. 19) Roshar was once inhibated with listeners and spren lived with them. Humans came and began the desolation. Howerver for some reason they changed sides and joined humans leading to formation of radiant orders. 20) He was nurtured by odium to be his champion. And i believe being a resident of roshar or being a radiant makes u a child of honor(kaladin is reffered as son of tanavast). 22) he cant hear his wifes name when spoken by someone else. 24) Ig its a void spren. 25) That he wont kill her. 26) The thrill was the unmade there. Thunderclast arent unmade. And the araman bonded unmade 27) Most probably. yes 28) They saw passion in him and ig it is stated somewhere they are afraid to be near jezeiren. 30) yes 31) kaladin had collected it from szeth at the end of wor. Taravagian stole it from bridge 4 and maybe gave leshwi after odiums visit 33) if he touched directly he will hear the screams of the dead spren. Thank you for the details!
Wandering Investor Posted October 18, 2020 Posted October 18, 2020 Warning, beyond here there be spoilers. Spoiler 1- Interlude I-7: Venli mentions that the Alethi mistakenly thought that the greatshells were the gods of the singers. Has this been discussed elsewhere? Is there more info on this point? I think this was the first mention of it, not 100% on that though. This would have been when humans and listeners first met, lots of ideas were probably thrown around, misunderstanding and all that. 2- Interlude I-10: Is the Hog that attacks Sheler a greatshell or a new animal? It wasn't really described beyond being a greatshell of some kind, could be a chasmfiend or a different type. 3- Interlude I-11: Did Venli bond two spren: the voidspren in her gemheart and Timbre? Can humans and other singers do the same or is it a unique case for Venli? Everyone can, but it's hard. Listeners seems to have trouble attracting sapient spren, and humans can't really bond with lesser spren. They can bond two radiant spren, but they'd have to satisfy both oaths at once, so very unlikely. 4- Ch89: Are Nightblood and Vivenna / Azure's sword shardblades? Do swords on Nalthis and Roshar contain the same type of Investiture? They were inspired by shardblades. Their method of creation is different, along with some of the effects, but the end result is similar. The investiture types are different (stormlight and breath), but can be used in similar ways if you know what you're doing. 5- Ch 89: Can a certain type of shardblades be summoned / used in Shadesmar: Honorblades, Dead Shardblades, Sprenblades? Awakended blades can, and I would guess honorblades too, but that's unknown. So far the other ones can't manifest. 6- Ch 92: Why do some people call Szeth by his dad's name (Neturo) and others by his grandfather's name (Valano)? After being declared truthless, his name change, as he wasn't considered worthy of his father's name. 7- Ch 92: What does Szeth mean that he knew a voice similar to Nightblood's in his youth? We probably have to wait to his flashbacks to know more? I suspect Szeth came in contact with a sapient spren, but this is unknown, will have to wait on flashbacks. 8- Ch 92: Why does Nightblood only burn eyes on Roshar? He doesn't, he eats people. It's shardblades that burn out the eyes. 9- Ch 92: Is Shashara from Nalthis the same person as Shalash on Roshar? No, just similar names. 10- Ch 92: Is Nightblood's consumption of Stormlight on Roshar the same mechanism as him consuming Breaths on Nalthis - as both are types of Investiture? Is Nightblood a spren on Roshar? Yes to the mechanism, Nightblood is pretty flexible and can eat pretty much anything. Is he a spren? He is similar to a spren, in that he is living investiture, but he's different, so kinda like a cousin. 11- Ch 99: Do the Spren use the copper on the ship in Shadesmar to communicate through vibration? Is this related to some Cosmere metallic quality (Should I find something in Mistborn about this)? I think this has to due with Roshar and tones, but this hasn't been explained fully, so it's possible the copper plays a specific role. 12- Ch 100: Why can't Dalinar use the Stormfather as a shardblade? He might actually be able to, he summoned something that was enough to activate the oath gates, Stormfather just doesn't want him to. 13- Ch 100: What is the metal that falls from the sky and can block a shardblade (is it also a reference to a metal from Mistborn)? Aluminum, it has investiture canceling properties, and that applies everyone in the cosmere. It cancels out the magical cutting edge of shardblades, although it will still be damaged by the 6 foot piece of metal slamming into it. 14- Ch 100: Why do Vedens look Alethi but speak a foreign tongue? Different counties and cultures, changes faster than looks. Also, they close by and have similar climates. 15- Ch 101: Are screaming blades only the ones left during the Recreance by the Knights Radiant? Yes. 16- Ch 101: Do we know who Ico's daughter is? No, but fan theory is that she's the spren bonding Venli. 17- Ch 106: What does Nin mean when he tells Szeth: "The others must interpret what they have sworn before and I hope they will see the truth?" I think he's referring to the Skybreakers that swore to follow the laws of the land, and how that may conflict with the authority of the singers. I'm not sure exactly what truth he's talking about though, but it may be that he believes the Singers are the rightful owners of the land. 18- Ch 108: Mythica book mentions that the Midnight Mother was destroyed at Aharietiam. How is she still in Urithiru? The Midnight Mother was captured inside of a gem, and that may have been when it happened. 19- Ch 109: What does Venli mean when she says that the spren betrayed the singers for the humans? Short answer, we don't know. When humans first arrived, it appears the spren began to favor and bond with them, and maybe the singers saw this as a betrayal. But we don't know if there was an actual formal agreement broken, or if the spren just found new friends. Also, Venli made this comment based on songs of history, she wasn't there so this might just be her view. 20- Ch 114: Why did the Nightwatcher call Dalinar both son of Honor and son of Odium? Just a guess, but Honor adopted humans, and Dalinar is also heavily influenced by Odium. 21- Ch 114: How does the Nightwatcher know about Nightblood? Dunno, either she's aware of things going beyond where she is, or she came into contact with Nightblood. 22- Ch 114: When Dalinar returned after meeting Cultivation, he hears only leaves rustling and thinks he should hear something else. What should have he heard? Screams of children? Probably, or some buried memory is associating Cultivation's voice with the leaves. But I would guess its the crying he's grown so used to hearing, even if he's forgotten every hearing it. 23- Ch 115: Does Odium change his appearance depending on who sees him - Dalinar sees him human, Venli sees him as a parshman? Yes. 24- Ch 116: What are the yellow spren leading the Fused? Dunno, rafo. Presumably a void spren of some kind. 25- Ch 117: Why did Lift say that the Nightwatcher lied to her? Lift was under the impression that she wasn't suppose to grow up, but can't deny it much more as she keeps getting bigger. 26- Ch 119: In the battle of Thaylen Field, there were 3 Un-made? The 2 in the Thunderclasts and Yelig-Nar as the Black Smoke, or there were any additional ones? Thunderclast aren't unmade, we don't know what they are actually, but I think just fused on steroids. Just Yelig-Nar and Nergaoul were present from the unmade. 27- Ch 120: Amaram's transformation of the ground to liquid after ingesting the crystal (Yalig-Nar??) - is that some form of Voidbinding? No, that's a surge, Cohesion I believe. 28- Ch 121: Why did the Fused instruct Moash to kill Jezrien? Either because he's a Herald and may be recruited by the either side, or to test run their fancy new weapon. Probably both. 29- Ch 122: What does Adrotagia mean when she tells Taravangian: "The Herald's insanity prompted us?" Taravangian explained his actions to Dalinar by saying they trusted the words of a Herald. He used that as an excuse on the betrayal, in order to hide the truth of the diagram. 30- Ch 122: Is Renarin's spren, Glys, still corrupted after the end of OB? Yes. 31- Ch 122: How did Jezrien's honorblade go from Szeth to Leshwi (who then gives it to Moash?) Kaladin claimed it from Szeth, and then gave it to Dalinar, who stored it in the tower, which the diagram group stole, and then gave to Odium's fused. 32- Ch 122: Nohadon knew how to write and read. When did the men stop reading and writing? Some time after Recreance, culture shift led to all 2 hands skills being masculine (like swinging weapons) and 1 handed skills were feminine (like reading and writing). 33- Ch 122: Why did Dalinar "accept the sword "only through the cloth"? What does it mean? I'm not sure which instance you're referring to, but if it was a dead shardblade, the cloth will stop the screaming. 2
Honorless he/him Posted October 19, 2020 Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) On 10/17/2020 at 7:47 PM, This_Is_Samer said: Hi guys, I just finished the first reading of Oathbringer, just in time before the release of Novella 3.5 and Book 4, and I am delving through this forum to read theories now that I am caught up on the SA books. I am planning to listen to OB on Graphic Audio soon but starting with the last 35 chapters or so, I started taking notes on some of the unclear things to me. I am reading analysis articles about the book and the various events, but thought to ask you here the questions I have in mind because I am sure I have missed most of these answers. So thank you again for those who have some answers to the below: [SPOILERS BELOW FOR OATHBRINGER] . 1- Interlude I-7: Venli mentions that the Alethi mistakenly thought that the greatshells were the gods of the singers. Has this been discussed elsewhere? Is there more info on this point? We don't have more details regarding how exactly the Alethi came to that conclusion since we were not given the primary source for this: presumably a song of eemembrance but we do know who the Parshendi were referring to as their gods: the Fused 2- Interlude I-10: Is the Hog that attacks Sheler a greatshell or a new animal? We currently have no idea what the Hog is but some people have suspected it's an as-of-yet undiscovered life stage of Chasmfiend or another Greatshell, perhaps the Marabethian Yu-Nerig or maybe the two are, in fact, the very same thing. Yet others speculate it might be the Unmade Dai-Gonarthis, the Black Fisher. I believe it's more likely to be one of the former. 3- Interlude I-11: Did Venli bond two spren: the voidspren in her gemheart and Timbre? Can humans and other singers do the same or is it a unique case for Venli? Yes, humans can also imperfectly Bond with lesser (non-sapient) spren. Humans can also theoretically have multiple Bonds. Venli had a Nahel Bond with Timbre and "Singer Bond" (no official name for this yet, as far as I know) with the voidspren that made her a Regal. Singer Bonds are part of the natural physiology of native Rosharan flora and fauna. Singers have a Gemheart, which humans don't, hence humans not being able to attune to a particular emotion in a stable enough manner to Bond a lesser spren, Odium clarifies this when Sadeas soldiers fall to the Thrill in Thaylen City. 4- Ch89: Are Nightblood and Vivenna / Azure's sword shardblades? Do swords on Nalthis and Roshar contain the same type of Investiture? Well, they are Shardblades made by a different magic system, so depends on your definition of a Shardblade. No, Roshar and Nalthis contain different types of primary Investiture. To clarify, Investiture from all the Shards is present in all Cosmere but the Shards or rather the Vessels, i.e. their minds are usually concentrated in one Shardworld. Nalthis is home to Endowment and her Investiture, BioChromatic Breath. Roshar is home to Honor, Cultivation and Odium, and their Investiture Stormlight, Cultivationlight?, and Voidlight. 5- Ch 89: Can a certain type of shardblades be summoned / used in Shadesmar: Honorblades, Dead Shardblades, Sprenblades? Honorblades and blades made from Awakening like Nightblood and Azure's blade are functional in Shadesmar. 6- Ch 92: Why do some people call Szeth by his dad's name (Neturo) and others by his grandfather's name (Valano)? Shin names are structured as (given name)-(son/daughter)-(father's name). So, Szeth's name would have been Szeth-son-Neturo but after becoming Truthless, he chose not to sully his father's name and honor, and went by Szeth-son-son-Vallano. Szeth mentions this to either Taravangian or Nale at one point, I forget. 7- Ch 92: What does Szeth mean that he knew a voice similar to Nightblood's in his youth? We probably have to wait to his flashbacks to know more? It means Szeth was approached by a Radiant spren in his youth who attempted to Bond with him and tried to convince him of the impending Desolation. Trying to convince the Shin elders got Szeth labelled Truthless and exiled. We'll know more in Book 5. 8- Ch 92: Why does Nightblood only burn eyes on Roshar? Hmm... I do not recall him doing that on Nalthis either, but then again we don't linger on the corpses much in Warbreaker and he wasn't as close to unsheathed (except when he was fully unsheathed, then he just turned the bodies into smoke, we see this when Vasher uses him against some Lifeless and Szeth used him during his Skybreaker test in the Purelake). The burned out eye effect could be something Brandon added later on or particular to Roshar. 9- Ch 92: Is Shashara from Nalthis the same person as Shalash on Roshar? Nope, different people. One was one of the Five Scholars and the other is a Herald. Both are Cognitive Shadows, worshiped as gods and have similar names. 10- Ch 92: Is Nightblood's consumption of Stormlight on Roshar the same mechanism as him consuming Breaths on Nalthis - as both are types of Investiture? Is Nightblood a spren on Roshar? Yup, Nightblood can and will consume any Investiture, including souls. Spren is a very broad term when we scale up from current Rosharan understanding of the word to what it might mean within a Cosmere wide framework. The Rosharans would call Adonalsium a spren. 11- Ch 99: Do the Spren use the copper on the ship in Shadesmar to communicate through vibration? Is this related to some Cosmere metallic quality (Should I find something in Mistborn about this)? Good catch, and possibly! Btw, are you keeping up with the weekly chapter releases of Rhythm of War? 12- Ch 100: Why can't Dalinar use the Stormfather as a shardblade? We thought that the Stormfather was too vast to be able to condense into a Shardblade at first but then Dalinar did use him in a Shardblade like form to operate the Oathgate of Vedenar, so it's probably just the Stormfather's ego. 13- Ch 100: What is the metal that falls from the sky and can block a shardblade (is it also a reference to a metal from Mistborn)? Aluminium blocking Investiture is a Cosmere-wide phenomenon 14- Ch 100: Why do Vedens look Alethi but speak a foreign tongue? Why do real life countries do that? It's just Rosharan history. Languages diverge naturally over time. 15- Ch 101: Are screaming blades only the ones left during the Recreance by the Knights Radiant? So far we've seen suspiciously few dead Shardblades and all of them seemed to be from a few Orders like the Windrunners or the Stonewards. A vast number of the Shardblades are still missing. We suspect the Shin, since they were the ones who kept the Honorblades as well. 16- Ch 101: Do we know who Ico's daughter is? Ico's daughter has been hinted to be none other than Timbre, Venli's Bondmate! 17- Ch 106: What does Nin mean when he tells Szeth: "The others must interpret what they have sworn before and I hope they will see the truth?" That a Knight Radiant cannot blindly follow their Oaths, (and also specifically the Skybreakers cannot blindly follow Nale) and must seek to examine and interpret their Ideals, and see how they apply in the real world. 18- Ch 108: Mythica book mentions that the Midnight Mother was destroyed at Aharietiam. How is she still in Urithiru? During the Aharietiam, the Heralds claimed that all their enemies were defeated, including all the Unmade. Though in this particular case, the Midnight Mother was imprisoned by a Lightweaver possibly around that timeframe, so that might be why people thought that. 19- Ch 109: What does Venli mean when she says that the spren betrayed the singers for the humans? Spren chose to side with humans in the human-Parsh conflict and gave them Surgebinding, a power that the ancient Singers were forbidden to touch. We don't know what exactly happened during that time. 20- Ch 114: Why did the Nightwatcher call Dalinar both son of Honor and son of Odium? Presumably, she could see Dalinar was influenced by Odium via the Unmade Nergaoul and could become his Champion in the future. 21- Ch 114: How does the Nightwatcher know about Nightblood? We don't know. Vasher might have given it to her as payment for a wish, perhaps. 22- Ch 114: When Dalinar returned after meeting Cultivation, he hears only leaves rustling and thinks he should hear something else. What should have he heard? Screams of children? Yeah, probably 23- Ch 115: Does Odium change his appearance depending on who sees him - Dalinar sees him human, Venli sees him as a parshman? It does indeed seem so from what we've seen during the Battle at Thaylen City. 24- Ch 116: What are the yellow spren leading the Fused? Sapient Voidspren, theorised to be one of the Voidbinding Orders' spren. 25- Ch 117: Why did Lift say that the Nightwatcher lied to her? Lift went to the Nightwatcher to ask her to let Lift remain a child forever but that isn't what she got. 26- Ch 119: In the battle of Thaylen Field, there were 3 Un-made? The 2 in the Thunderclasts and Yelig-Nar as the Black Smoke, or there were any additional ones? Thunderclasts aren't Unmade. There were two Unmade present: Yelig-Nar and Nergaoul. 27- Ch 120: Amaram's transformation of the ground to liquid after ingesting the crystal (Yalig-Nar??) - is that some form of Voidbinding? Yelig-Nar's power is to grant it's host all ten Surges. That was the Surge of Cohesion. 28- Ch 121: Why did the Fused instruct Moash to kill Jezrien? To test their new weapon against an old vulnerable enemy and to recruit Moash completely for an unknown purpose. 29- Ch 122: What does Adrotagia mean when she tells Taravangian: "The Herald's insanity prompted us?" She was explaining the Diagram's motives (not fully). They came upon the knowledge of the approaching Desolation from one of the Heralds, Battar. 30- Ch 122: Is Renarin's spren, Glys, still corrupted after the end of OB? Yes, Glys is still Corrupted. Renarin just established to Jasnah that he wasn't compromised by Odium. 31- Ch 122: How did Jezrien's honorblade go from Szeth to Leshwi (who then gives it to Moash?) It was taken by Kaladin after defeating Szeth in WoR, and the Bridgemen rotated ownership of it to practice Surgebinding while Kaladin was to far away to extend his powers over his Squires. Teft's addiction saw him selling off his uniform, which the Diagram used to sneak up to one of the members of the Bridge 4 and kill him, steal the Honorblade, and after Taravangian's deal with Odium, apparently give to Odium's forces after allowing them to invade Urithiru. Leshwi then gave the blade to Moash. 32- Ch 122: Nohadon knew how to write and read. When did the men stop reading and writing? Only the men in western Roshar don't read/write. It happened way after the Recreance, after the rise of Vorinism. Quote Questioner Safehands: Where did, that-- like why? Is there like a cultural *inaudible*? Brandon Sanderson There is a culture-- Now the actual answer to that is because different cultures have really different mores, and if you go around our world you will find places where, for instance, showing the bottom of your foot-- where the bottom of your foot is offensive, or where showing certain parts of your anatomy is not offensive that it is here. And that is very common, it's part of what it means to be human. Now if you want to trace back in Rosharan time, there is actually a moment that you can point at and say "this is where it started" and it started right after the Recreance where all these Shardblades and Shardplate were suddenly out there everywhere, and certain people in power wanted to make sure that half the population didn't have access to them, and so they started emphasizing a certain philosophy book that had been written by a woman that said "feminine arts were one-handed, masculine arts were two-handed". And because of this it became culturally ingrained, which then-- basically it was a misogynistic ploy to keep the women from having the Shardblades, and then in that a certain movement of the women seized writing, and that's when men stopped writing. It's kind of a reciprocation on it. But that's kind of where it went, but it's become much bigger than that, if that makes any sense. Questioner What do you do if you safehand is your dominant hand? Brandon Sanderson If you are darkeyed it's not a problem, you just wear a glove. If you are lighteyed then you learn to write with your non-dominant hand, which is a problem. Footnote: The book here is likely Arts and Majesty, referenced in WoR 25 Words of Radiance Seattle signing (March 8, 2014) 33- Ch 122: Why did Dalinar "accept the sword "only through the cloth"? What does it mean? He didn't want to make direct contact with the Blade so as to avoid the screaming of the dead spren. Thank you for answering any of these; I know they are too many to be all answered by one contributor I'll try to answer all of them, also great job on the note-taking! Edited October 26, 2020 by Honorless 1
EggArdent she/her Posted October 21, 2020 Posted October 21, 2020 On 10/17/2020 at 8:17 AM, This_Is_Samer said: Hi guys, I just finished the first reading of Oathbringer, just in time before the release of Novella 3.5 and Book 4, and I am delving through this forum to read theories now that I am caught up on the SA books. I am planning to listen to OB on Graphic Audio soon but starting with the last 35 chapters or so, I started taking notes on some of the unclear things to me. I am reading analysis articles about the book and the various events, but thought to ask you here the questions I have in mind because I am sure I have missed most of these answers. So thank you again for those who have some answers to the below: [SPOILERS BELOW FOR OATHBRINGER] . 1- Interlude I-7: Venli mentions that the Alethi mistakenly thought that the greatshells were the gods of the singers. Has this been discussed elsewhere? Is there more info on this point? 2- Interlude I-10: Is the Hog that attacks Sheler a greatshell or a new animal? 3- Interlude I-11: Did Venli bond two spren: the voidspren in her gemheart and Timbre? Can humans and other singers do the same or is it a unique case for Venli? 4- Ch89: Are Nightblood and Vivenna / Azure's sword shardblades? Do swords on Nalthis and Roshar contain the same type of Investiture? 5- Ch 89: Can a certain type of shardblades be summoned / used in Shadesmar: Honorblades, Dead Shardblades, Sprenblades? 6- Ch 92: Why do some people call Szeth by his dad's name (Neturo) and others by his grandfather's name (Valano)? 7- Ch 92: What does Szeth mean that he knew a voice similar to Nightblood's in his youth? We probably have to wait to his flashbacks to know more? 8- Ch 92: Why does Nightblood only burn eyes on Roshar? 9- Ch 92: Is Shashara from Nalthis the same person as Shalash on Roshar? 10- Ch 92: Is Nightblood's consumption of Stormlight on Roshar the same mechanism as him consuming Breaths on Nalthis - as both are types of Investiture? Is Nightblood a spren on Roshar? 11- Ch 99: Do the Spren use the copper on the ship in Shadesmar to communicate through vibration? Is this related to some Cosmere metallic quality (Should I find something in Mistborn about this)? 12- Ch 100: Why can't Dalinar use the Stormfather as a shardblade? 13- Ch 100: What is the metal that falls from the sky and can block a shardblade (is it also a reference to a metal from Mistborn)? 14- Ch 100: Why do Vedens look Alethi but speak a foreign tongue? 15- Ch 101: Are screaming blades only the ones left during the Recreance by the Knights Radiant? 16- Ch 101: Do we know who Ico's daughter is? 17- Ch 106: What does Nin mean when he tells Szeth: "The others must interpret what they have sworn before and I hope they will see the truth?" 18- Ch 108: Mythica book mentions that the Midnight Mother was destroyed at Aharietiam. How is she still in Urithiru? 19- Ch 109: What does Venli mean when she says that the spren betrayed the singers for the humans? 20- Ch 114: Why did the Nightwatcher call Dalinar both son of Honor and son of Odium? 21- Ch 114: How does the Nightwatcher know about Nightblood? 22- Ch 114: When Dalinar returned after meeting Cultivation, he hears only leaves rustling and thinks he should hear something else. What should have he heard? Screams of children? 23- Ch 115: Does Odium change his appearance depending on who sees him - Dalinar sees him human, Venli sees him as a parshman? 24- Ch 116: What are the yellow spren leading the Fused? 25- Ch 117: Why did Lift say that the Nightwatcher lied to her? 26- Ch 119: In the battle of Thaylen Field, there were 3 Un-made? The 2 in the Thunderclasts and Yelig-Nar as the Black Smoke, or there were any additional ones? 27- Ch 120: Amaram's transformation of the ground to liquid after ingesting the crystal (Yalig-Nar??) - is that some form of Voidbinding? 28- Ch 121: Why did the Fused instruct Moash to kill Jezrien? 29- Ch 122: What does Adrotagia mean when she tells Taravangian: "The Herald's insanity prompted us?" 30- Ch 122: Is Renarin's spren, Glys, still corrupted after the end of OB? 31- Ch 122: How did Jezrien's honorblade go from Szeth to Leshwi (who then gives it to Moash?) 32- Ch 122: Nohadon knew how to write and read. When did the men stop reading and writing? 33- Ch 122: Why did Dalinar "accept the sword "only through the cloth"? What does it mean? Thank you for answering any of these; I know they are too many to be all answered by one contributor i will try my best to answer these 4- nightblood is something else entirely, but it may have been inspired by shardblades, azures sword is... odd its like half shard but made kind of like nightblood i think, and investiture can be converted if you have the means to do it 5- no, not as far as we know, because shardblades are parts of spren, so summoning dead shardblades and sprenblades wiill just get a reaction from the spren. honorblades though i am not sure 6- I think it depends on if they knew his father or not, szeth gives the excuse of not soiling his fathers name and making things harder for him. 8- nightblood still turns things into smoke 10- nightblood is not a spren and yes, it is the same as breaths 11- maybe, copper hides things allomantic wise and stores memories feruchemical wise it stores memories so im not sure. and i cant delve into it deeper without spoilers for people not reading the preview chapters. 12- two things, bondsmiths dont really do violence, or at least keep it to a minimum, and also the stormfather dosent want to. 13- the metal that falls from the sky is aluminum, which is magically inert and will just absorb investiture. shardblades cant cut it like other things but will still cut like you were using a normal sword. 15- yes, which is all of them any blade or plate that is used by a non-radiant is a dead spren and will scream for people bonded with spren. 16- ico's daughter is probably timbre 18- its either lies or most of her physical form was destoryed and the rest was captured. 19- spren are native to roshar and so are the singers, but when the humans came to roshar from ashyn they started worshipping honor instead of odium then when the desolations happened honor and the spren sided with humans while the singers sided with odium. 20- my best guess is that it is because dalinar was both odium and honors pick to be their champion 21- vasher probably has been to the nightwatcher and might have shared something, the nightwatcher is also really old so it had ample time to talk to cosmere aware people who might have known a bit. 22- his wife's name, his curse from the nightwatcher was to forget everything about his wife, not just the battle where she died 23- yes, odium will look different to singers and humans mostly just to make them feel more comfortable 25- I dont think lift ever actually got her curse and boon as far as we know, but she asked to stay the same, or remain young, but what actually changed about her was that shes nnow partway in the gognitive realm and can touch spren. 26- amaram bonded to yelig nar bot thats all, and the red smoke is nergaoul or the thrill 27- bonding with yelig nar gave him access to all 10 surges. so it was either soulcasting into something or he shaped the stone into a more liquid like form 28- heralds are dangerous, and I think they also wanted to test if the knife would actually permanently kill one 30- yes 31- szeth lost it, then kaladin gave it to dalinar who hid it, then it was stolen by fused and given to moash 32- some men still learn to read just like some women learn to fight most of them bieng ardents, its more of a taboo than anything 33- if dalinar touches the cloth he will hear the screams of the dead spren the blade is made of. I hoped this helps
This_Is_Samer Posted October 23, 2020 Author Posted October 23, 2020 On 10/19/2020 at 3:45 PM, Honorless said: I'll try to answer all of them, also great job on the note-taking! Many thanks on the detailed answers!! For your answers to questions 3, 4, 9, 15 and 24 were specifically eye-opening! One question - what do you mean when you say Shashara and Shalash are cognitive shadows? Answering your question, I am not following the preview chapters. I am preferring to wait for the release of the full book to indulge in it I will try on the reread (audiobook) to take some notes for the chapters from the beginning to chapter 82. Thank you for your help!
This_Is_Samer Posted October 23, 2020 Author Posted October 23, 2020 On 10/21/2020 at 10:06 AM, EggArdent said: i will try my best to answer these 4- nightblood is something else entirely, but it may have been inspired by shardblades, azures sword is... odd its like half shard but made kind of like nightblood i think, and investiture can be converted if you have the means to do it 5- no, not as far as we know, because shardblades are parts of spren, so summoning dead shardblades and sprenblades wiill just get a reaction from the spren. honorblades though i am not sure 6- I think it depends on if they knew his father or not, szeth gives the excuse of not soiling his fathers name and making things harder for him. 8- nightblood still turns things into smoke 10- nightblood is not a spren and yes, it is the same as breaths 11- maybe, copper hides things allomantic wise and stores memories feruchemical wise it stores memories so im not sure. and i cant delve into it deeper without spoilers for people not reading the preview chapters. 12- two things, bondsmiths dont really do violence, or at least keep it to a minimum, and also the stormfather dosent want to. 13- the metal that falls from the sky is aluminum, which is magically inert and will just absorb investiture. shardblades cant cut it like other things but will still cut like you were using a normal sword. 15- yes, which is all of them any blade or plate that is used by a non-radiant is a dead spren and will scream for people bonded with spren. 16- ico's daughter is probably timbre 18- its either lies or most of her physical form was destoryed and the rest was captured. 19- spren are native to roshar and so are the singers, but when the humans came to roshar from ashyn they started worshipping honor instead of odium then when the desolations happened honor and the spren sided with humans while the singers sided with odium. 20- my best guess is that it is because dalinar was both odium and honors pick to be their champion 21- vasher probably has been to the nightwatcher and might have shared something, the nightwatcher is also really old so it had ample time to talk to cosmere aware people who might have known a bit. 22- his wife's name, his curse from the nightwatcher was to forget everything about his wife, not just the battle where she died 23- yes, odium will look different to singers and humans mostly just to make them feel more comfortable 25- I dont think lift ever actually got her curse and boon as far as we know, but she asked to stay the same, or remain young, but what actually changed about her was that shes nnow partway in the gognitive realm and can touch spren. 26- amaram bonded to yelig nar bot thats all, and the red smoke is nergaoul or the thrill 27- bonding with yelig nar gave him access to all 10 surges. so it was either soulcasting into something or he shaped the stone into a more liquid like form 28- heralds are dangerous, and I think they also wanted to test if the knife would actually permanently kill one 30- yes 31- szeth lost it, then kaladin gave it to dalinar who hid it, then it was stolen by fused and given to moash 32- some men still learn to read just like some women learn to fight most of them bieng ardents, its more of a taboo than anything 33- if dalinar touches the cloth he will hear the screams of the dead spren the blade is made of. I hoped this helps Many thanks for your answers. I really liked how you explained questions 11,12 and 25!
Honorless he/him Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, This_Is_Samer said: Many thanks on the detailed answers!! For your answers to questions 3, 4, 9, 15 and 24 were specifically eye-opening! One question - what do you mean when you say Shashara and Shalash are cognitive shadows? Answering your question, I am not following the preview chapters. I am preferring to wait for the release of the full book to indulge in it I will try on the reread (audiobook) to take some notes for the chapters from the beginning to chapter 82. Thank you for your help! Happy to help! All things in the Cosmere, including people, exist in three Realm of existence: the Physical Realm, where their body resides, the Cognitive Realm, as the name implies, is the realm of the mind, and the Spiritual Realm, where one's Spiritweb or Spiritual DNA (sDNA) resides. When a person dies, their Connections between the three Realms are severed. Their body remains (usually) to decay into the soil, their Cognitive self passes on to the Beyond (whether that is the Afterlife or non-existence is left up to the reader's interpretation), and Spiritweb also eventually decays back into Investiture, going back to the Cosmere. Sometimes instead of passing on, the person's Cognitive self can linger behind as, what is called a Cognitive Shadow due to having to much Investiture. Different kinds of Cognitive Shadows exist within the Cosmere: we've seen them on almost all the worlds.
This_Is_Samer Posted October 23, 2020 Author Posted October 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, Honorless said: Happy to help! All things in the Cosmere, including people, exist in three Realm of existence: the Physical Realm, where their body resides, the Cognitive Realm, as the name implies, is the realm of the mind, and the Spiritual Realm, where one's Spiritweb or Spiritual DNA (sDNA) resides. When a person dies, their Connections between the three Realms are severed. Their body remains (usually) to decay into the soil, their Cognitive self passes on to the Beyond (whether that is the Afterlife or non-existence is left up to the reader's interpretation), and Spiritweb also eventually decays back into Investiture, going back to the Cosmere. Sometimes instead of passing on, the person's Cognitive self can linger behind as, what is called a Cognitive Shadow due to having to much Investiture. Different kinds of Cognitive Shadows exist within the Cosmere: we've seen them on almost all the worlds. That's very interesting! Do we know that Shashara and Shalash are Cognitive Shadows from WoB?
Honorless he/him Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 Just now, This_Is_Samer said: That's very interesting! Do we know that Shashara and Shalash are Cognitive Shadows from WoB? Can be inferred from the books themselves but confirmed via WoB, both Returned and Heralds are Cognitive Shadows.
This_Is_Samer Posted October 23, 2020 Author Posted October 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Honorless said: Can be inferred from the books themselves but confirmed via WoB, both Returned and Heralds are Cognitive Shadows. Neat!
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