Condensation she/her Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 I think this is where this belongs. Today we were talking in Socratic, and I disagreed with everyone else in my class. What is truth to you, and why?
Experience he/him Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 Are you asking what the concept of truth means, or things that are true? 1
Condensation she/her Posted October 13, 2020 Author Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Experience said: Are you asking what the concept of truth means, or things that are true? What is the concept of truth? Is it changeable? Is it fact? Do I have a different truth than you do?
Karger he/him Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 A subjective conceit made up by humans so that they can justify their overinflated egos.
Condensation she/her Posted October 13, 2020 Author Posted October 13, 2020 Really? Because I feel like it's not actually subjective. Is it true right now that I am typing on a keyboard? 1
MusicalReader he/him Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) In my opinion, there is a distinction to be made between scholarly truth and personal truth. In my own definition, scholarly truths are ideas that are fixed in reality and are not questioned at the time of their prominence. This definition encircles ideas such as equations, which include simple concepts like the addition of two and two, which unquestionably equals four. This idea is logically sound and cannot be argued upon by any scientific means. On the other hand, personal truth is one’s belief in something that they hold to be correct. They maintain this statement so strongly that they don't feel the need to question it at all. This truth is part of their identity and their fundamental views about life. They believe that this truth is unshakeable and unwavering; nonetheless, over time, peoples’ personal truths may begin to shift. This is comparable to a child’s opinion on their favorite color. Upon being asked their favorite color, a child may respond, unhesitating, that blue is their favorite. However, during the next few years, they may discover that they enjoy looking at the color red. If the child is asked if he likes the color blue during this period of change, he will probably respond that blue is still his favorite, although perhaps with some delay. One’s once steadfast and concrete confidence may weaken into a smaller, more abstract idea that has less of an impact on a person’s opinions: this is exemplified by the metaphor given above. As the influence of this truth on personal ideas is minimized stronger “truths” come to be more prominent in a person’s set of ideals. Eventually, as in the child's favorite color metaphor, one's favorite color may change to red when it was once blue. This cycle continues over a person’s life, and different opinions and “truths” replace each other in an endless sequence of change. I am of the opinion that different people have different personal truths. One may find themselves believing that they are a shy person. They repeat it constantly to themselves until, eventually, this becomes a personal truth for them. Another may have the belief that they are confident, and this may become a personal truth for them. These ideas may change over time, yet a person is always in possession of a personal truth of themselves, whether they like a certain genre of music, or a style of clothing, or have a certain perception about the world. Sorry, this post ran a little longer than I intended. I began to answer with a different opinion in mind, but as I mulled it over, I changed my mind. What do you think, @Condensation? Edited October 13, 2020 by MusicalReader 3
Condensation she/her Posted October 13, 2020 Author Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, MusicalReader said: In my opinion, there is a distinction to be made between scholarly truth and personal truth. In my own definition, scholarly truths are ideas that are fixed in reality and are not questioned at the time of their prominence. This definition encircles ideas such as equations, which include simple concepts like the addition of two and two, which unquestionably equals four. This idea is logically sound and cannot be argued upon by any scientific means. On the other hand, personal truth is one’s belief in something that they hold to be correct. They maintain this statement so strongly that they don't feel the need to question it at all. This truth is part of their identity and their fundamental views about life. They believe that this truth is unshakeable and unwavering; nonetheless, over time, peoples’ personal truths may begin to shift. In simpler terms, this is comparable to a child’s favorite color. Upon being asked their favorite color, a child may respond, unhesitating, that blue is their favorite. However, during the next few years, they may discover that they enjoy looking at the color red. If the child is asked if he likes the color blue during this period of change, he will probably respond that blue is still his favorite, although perhaps with some delay. One’s once steadfast and concrete confidence may weaken into a smaller, more abstract idea that has less of an impact on a person’s opinions: this is exemplified by the metaphor given above. As the influence of this truth on personal ideas is minimalized, stronger “truths” come to be more prominent in a person’s set of ideals. This cycle continues over a person’s life, and different opinions and “truths” replace each other in an endless sequence of change. I am of the opinion that different people have different personal truths. One may find themselves believing that they are a shy person. They repeat it constantly to themselves until, eventually, this becomes a personal truth for them. Another may have the belief that they are confident, and this may become a personal truth for them. These ideas may change over time, yet a person is always in possession of a personal truth of themselves, whether they like a certain genre of music, or a style of clothing, or have a certain perception about the world. Sorry, this post ran a little longer than I intended. I began to answer with a different opinion in mind, but as I mulled it over, I changed my mind. What do you think, @Condensation? See, this is what I thought. I feel like there is a difference between external truths and internal truths, while my class argued that truth is fact, with no difference. If something is proven to be untrue, it was never true in the first place. This is a perfect way of stating my ideas, thanks!
MusicalReader he/him Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Condensation said: See, this is what I thought. I feel like there is a difference between external truths and internal truths, while my class argued that truth is fact, with no difference. If something is proven to be untrue, it was never true in the first place. This is a perfect way of stating my ideas, thanks! No problem! I enjoyed thinking about it! Thanks for creating this thread! It was really helpful for me to understand it; I didn't really have a concrete comprehension over "truth" before I wrote this and thought it over. Edited October 13, 2020 by MusicalReader
Condensation she/her Posted October 13, 2020 Author Posted October 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, MusicalReader said: No problem! I enjoyed thinking about it! Thanks for creating this thread! It was really helpful for me to understand it; I didn't really have a concrete comprehension over "truth" before I wrote this and thought it over. It was no trouble, I thought it would be a good thing to ponder.
revelryintheart she/her Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, The Windrunner Supreme said: A cow i agree
Condensation she/her Posted October 13, 2020 Author Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, revelryintheart said: i agree And how would you justify that? How is a cow truth to you?
revelryintheart she/her Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, Condensation said: And how would you justify that? How is a cow truth to you? it is a cow and it goes moo
Condensation she/her Posted October 13, 2020 Author Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, revelryintheart said: it is a cow and it goes moo Does it? Or does it go (you know what, just look at this: https://omniglot.com/language/animalsounds/cows.htm ) 1
revelryintheart she/her Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, Condensation said: Does it? Or does it go (you know what, just look at this: https://omniglot.com/language/animalsounds/cows.htm ) what's up with Bengali? hamba? also i'm derailing the purpose of this thread so let me just say i agree with everything that's been said byeeeeeeeeee
Condensation she/her Posted October 13, 2020 Author Posted October 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, revelryintheart said: what's up with Bengali? hamba? also i'm derailing the purpose of this thread so let me just say i agree with everything that's been said byeeeeeeeeee Yes, you are. Bye! Come back when you're a little more serious! We'd love to have you!
Frustration Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 Truth is truth. Fact is fact, right is right, Good is good. I don't see why people have to complicate things, it's really simple, if it is true, if it can be proven, the it is true, that's all there is to it. 2
Scarletfox Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Doomstick said: Subjective To be clear, you're saying that truth is subjective?
+Doomstick he/him Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, Scarletfox said: To be clear, you're saying that truth is subjective? Yes, in many instances
Scarletfox Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Doomstick said: Yes, in many instances So would the statement, "truth is subjective" be true? 1 hour ago, Karger said: A subjective conceit made up by humans so that they can justify their overinflated egos. Is this the truth? Edited October 13, 2020 by Scarletfox 1
+Doomstick he/him Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Scarletfox said: So would the statement, "truth is subjective" be true? Ooooooo paradox
Karger he/him Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Scarletfox said: Is this the truth? Just now, Doomstick said: Ooooooo paradox It is my truth. If you don't like it find your own.
+Doomstick he/him Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, Karger said: It is my truth. If you don't like it find your own. Exactly
Scarletfox Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Karger said: It is my truth. If you don't like it find your own. So this idea, that we should all find our own truths, is a truth that I should follow by following my own truth? 1
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