star wars Because Star Wars

[Guest Somebody from Scadrial]

1 minute ago, Aspiring Writer said:

... I'm sorry I don't understand the question, elaborate.

It's a parody of your question to show just how flawed that statement is

[Use the Falchion]

8 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said:

The empire was taken down by a jedi. How would people not know?

Because Luke was nearly mythical to the point some people didn't believe he actually existed. Those around him knew he was a Jedi, and those he worked with knew he claimed to be a Jedi. Luke's vanishing act after the Empire fell didn't help things either. And the Empire was taken down by a Rebellion, not one man.  

 

5 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said:

... I'm sorry I don't understand the question, elaborate.

They're comparing what the audience knows as common knowledge to what people in-world may not know as common knowledge. We know Obi-Wan escaped Order 66, but The Empire didn't know until ANH. We know more Jedi escaped and where they went, but not everyone else in-universe does. The point was to be cautious of what is seen as "common knowledge," as it's not seen by everyone in-world in the same way.

Or in another way, we know what Szeth is wielding and what it can do, but not everyone else does. His sword is "weird" to them, but how are they supposed to know anything about it when the creators are missing? We can't claim "it's Nightblood it's so obvious!" because to people who don't know the magic and the rules behind it all, it's not. Not yet anyways. 

Edited October 30, 2020 by Use the Falchion

[Aspiring Writer]

Just now, Somebody from Sel said:

It's a parody of your question to show just how flawed that statement is

Except what you said was completely stupid. 1. We don't know how much people understood the oathpact. 2. The heralds lied to the populace in an attempt to escape said oath pact and most importantly 3. IT"S BEEN THOUSANDS OF YEARS THROUGH DESOLATIONS    The Empire has been around for little over 20 years, and by the time of the Mandalorian it's been around another 20 years with the Jedi back with Luke and his school. They should be very aware of what the Jedi are called at the least, seeing as they all view them as war criminals. whether or not their reputation is fixed is a whole different issue, the galaxy should still be aware f their equailanet of WWII

[Guest Somebody from Scadrial]

Just now, Aspiring Writer said:

Except what you said was completely stupid. 1. We don't know how much people understood the oathpact. 2. The heralds lied to the populace in an attempt to escape said oath pact and most importantly 3. IT"S BEEN THOUSANDS OF YEARS THROUGH DESOLATIONS    The Empire has been around for little over 20 years, and by the time of the Mandalorian it's been around another 20 years with the Jedi back with Luke and his school. They should be very aware of what the Jedi are called at the least, seeing as they all view them as war criminals. whether or not their reputation is fixed is a whole different issue, the galaxy should still be aware f their equailanet of WWII

Yes but twenty years is a generation a generation would very much obscure the knowledge of who/what the Jedi were for all we know the Mandalorian knows what Jedi are he just doesn't know that they used to force or just doesn't remember the name 

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I'm making this argument without watching the Mandalorian I'm good at being stupid

 

[Aspiring Writer]

1 minute ago, Use the Falchion said:

Because Luke was nearly mythical to the point some people didn't believe he actually existed. Those around him knew he was a Jedi, and those he worked with knew he claimed to be a Jedi. Luke's vanishing act after the Empire fell didn't help things either. And the Empire was taken down by a Rebellion, not one man.  

 

They're comparing what the audience knows as common knowledge to what people in-world may not know as common knowledge. We know Obi-Wan escaped Order 66, but The Empire didn't know until ANH. We know more Jedi escaped and where they went, but not everyone else in-universe does. The point was to be cautious of what is seen as "common knowledge," as it's not seen by everyone in-world in the same way. 

Luke was pivotal to the fall of the empire, so he would be a war hero, and the Jedi were prominent for thousands of years. You can't wipe the memory of them in 20 years to the point people don't even remember the organization's name. That's like forgetting something that's similar to the combination of the  Nazis and Roman Empire. And they have far more advanced technology which would make it more difficult to suppress information to that extent.

[Aspiring Writer]

Just now, Somebody from Sel said:

Yes but twenty years is a generation a generation would very much obscure the knowledge of who/what the Jedi were for all we know the Mandalorian knows what Jedi are he just doesn't know that they used to force or just doesn't remember the name 

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I'm making this argument without watching the Mandalorian I'm good at being stupid

 

You don't need to watch the Mandalorian to see it's stupid that they would be forgotten to this extent. Their culture would be lost, their reputation altered, and things around them would be fuzzy, but the name of them and how they were in power for all of the Republic's time in power would not be forgotten.

[Guest Somebody from Scadrial]

1 minute ago, Aspiring Writer said:

You don't need to watch the Mandalorian to see it's stupid that they would be forgotten to this extent. Their culture would be lost, their reputation altered, and things around them would be fuzzy, but the name of them and how they were in power for all of the Republic's time in power would not be forgotten.

I don't think you understand how brainwashing works. Yes it wouldn't be forgotten but if a concentrated effort to obscure the Jedi from common knowledge were made it could work in 20 years there are people who would have grown up without Jedi and any mainstream mention of them America has practically brainwashed itself in 20 years imagine that on a larger scale on a less freedom focused people it isn't that much of a stretch

[Aspiring Writer]

Just now, Somebody from Sel said:

I don't think you understand how brainwashing works. Yes it wouldn't be forgotten but if a concentrated effort to obscure the Jedi from common knowledge were made it could work in 20 years there are people who would have grown up without Jedi and any mainstream mention of them America has practically brainwashed itself in 20 years imagine that on a larger scale on a less freedom focused people it isn't that much of a stretch

Again, it is harder for a more advanced civilization like the Empire to purge all mention of them I that short time frame, and they clearly haven't succeeded as many people do remember them in Rebels. You said the Mandalorians have reason to remember the Jedi in their culture, ut the jedi allied with the republic for over a thousand years, so every civilization would have reason to remember them, and that's without mentioning forgetting the jedi would be like us forgetting Nazis and what they did in world war 2, and there is evidence the Empire wasn't against mentioning the Jedi, but mentioning the Jedi in a positive context. Anakin Skywalker is remembered as a war hero (Read Thrawn Novels) and there are plenty of generals from the clone wars that remember and mention the Jedi, including Thrawn, though most are either mentioning them in a negative context or are considered very loyal.

[Use the Falchion]

1 hour ago, Aspiring Writer said:

Luke was pivotal to the fall of the empire, so he would be a war hero, and the Jedi were prominent for thousands of years. You can't wipe the memory of them in 20 years to the point people don't even remember the organization's name. That's like forgetting something that's similar to the combination of the  Nazis and Roman Empire. And they have far more advanced technology which would make it more difficult to suppress information to that extent.

They didn't just suppress technology though. You keep leaving out that they're suppressed people. If you have no place to find or store the data and no one wants to spread it by word of mouth because of fear, the information dies. The Empire intimidated people who mentioned any time before the Empire whenever they could, and killed those who actively spoke of the Jedi. Again, those Rebels and Fallen Order examples. 

 

 

Besides, the Empire has all of the technology, resources, and manpower that the Republic had. They had direct, unfiltered access to Jedi history and knowledge. Palpatine turned the Jedi Temple into the Imperial Palace (probably because the temple itself was built upon the ruins of a Sith temple). If you're sitting at the hub of your enemies information, wiping it off the face of the planet is easy. All you have to do then is destroy the other temples and places that Jedi would store data...which they did. 

 

1 hour ago, Aspiring Writer said:

Their culture would be lost, their reputation altered, and things around them would be fuzzy, but the name of them and how they were in power for all of the Republic's time in power would not be forgotten.

 

1 hour ago, Aspiring Writer said:

Luke was pivotal to the fall of the empire, so he would be a war hero, and the Jedi were prominent for thousands of years. You can't wipe the memory of them in 20 years to the point people don't even remember the organization's name. That's like forgetting something that's similar to the combination of the  Nazis and Roman Empire. And they have far more advanced technology which would make it more difficult to suppress information to that extent.

Here, let's try a different example, if that's okay. A certain thing took place in China June 4, 1989. Asking anyone from China what happened that day and where would be impossible, not only because you (or they) may be arrested, but because the general populous literally doesn't know. It was erased from history. The lives of people who witnessed it were erased from history. Pictures and proof were erased from history. And that took place around the same timeframe to us as the Jedi Purge did in-universe to The Mandalorian. And that was just one country. But now it's not just one country, it's an entire galaxy. There are other examples in our world I could provide, but I'd rather not go that dark. 

As for Luke, sure, he was pivotal in the fall of the Empire, but where's your proof after the first Death Star? How do you know that he's wasn't just an incredibly lucky pilot? Oh, he says he's a Jedi, and he has one of those laser swords, but have any of you even seen him do anything outside of that? And if he's so important, where is he now? He's not in the government, or where other heroes went? How do I know his name wasn't a codename or use for propaganda? We only know Luke exists because we see his story. Others who may not have seen his story, or have only heard filtered versions of it, may not believe. The Rebellion most likely wouldn't want to keep too many records of their actions for fear of a paper or electronic trail, and most people he worked with have died. He has no living family other than a person he claims is his sister, but they have no birth records to back that up, nor are they willing to explain their family tree. 

To an outsider, it's perfectly possible to doubt Luke's existence, or at least parts of it. 

And you're also forgetting that most perspectives we see about the Jedi are from those in the Outer Realms or the outskirts of society. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Somebody from Sel said:

Yes but twenty years is a generation a generation would very much obscure the knowledge of who/what the Jedi were for all we know the Mandalorian knows what Jedi are he just doesn't know that they used to force or just doesn't remember the name 

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I'm making this argument without watching the Mandalorian I'm good at being stupid

 

Basically what happened is that The Mandalorian went to his clan's armorer/shaman and said

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"Bad people are looking for this child, but he has powers that I have no idea about."

Shaman says "Yeah we've heard about those before. Ancient sorcerers called Jedi. They were ancient enemies of our kind. Find them and give them The Child."

Mando says "How am I supposed to do that?"

Her response is "No idea, GL bro." 

 

The problem from there we're discussing is twofold. First is the fact that The Mandalorians have had active contact with Jedi outside of their stories from eons ago, as proven in The Clone Wars and Rebels animated shows. There's a discrepancy between the culture of the Mandalorians in the show (which is closer to the Legends/Old EU version) and how they were portrayed in the animated shows. 

Second is that finding out about the Jedi shouldn't be as hard as it is, since we've seen them and there is seemingly undeniable proof that they exist. 

 

@Aspiring Writer and I actually agree on the first point. But our disagreement after that stems from the fact that I don't think it's bad writing or planning yet, while @Aspiring Writer does, if I'm interpreting the argument correctly. The show hints at the fact that something happened in the 5-6 years between the end of Rebels and the start of The Mandalorian; and the creators and main brains behind this show - Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau - worked together on the Mandalore storylines in TCW and Rebels. Add in some rumored cameos and it feels more like they're planning something, which is why I'm more willing to wait and see. 

The second point is a larger point of contention and the one we're all engaged in right now. 

 

Edit: @Aspiring Writer I just saw your post about Snoke in the Controversial Opinions page, and I just wanted to say that Rian knew what he was doing. He saw what Snoke was (a Palpatine stand-in) and decided to take the more interesting path by having Kylo step up to be the Big Bad. No more "what is thy bidding, my Master" villains. Kylo had finally achieved what Vader couldn't in overthrowing his master. Kylo was no longer torn about what to do with the Light. He decided to silence it once and for all. That was the point. No more puppet masters. And then JJ decided to bring Palpatine back (which could have been acceptable if he used the threat of Palpatine coming back instead of him actually being back...or at least The World Between Worlds) and decided to make Kylo emotionally confused again so he could be redeemed. 

Was RJ's use of Snoke perfect? By no means. But I think what he did was the far more interesting path. Snoke was cool because he was mysterious, but once any reveal happened, his purpose in the story would have been repetitive. Rian was actively trying to buck that trend for the next director. 

Edited October 31, 2020 by Use the Falchion

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14 hours ago, Aspiring Writer said:

Again, it is harder for a more advanced civilization like the Empire to purge all mention of them I that short time frame, and they clearly haven't succeeded as many people do remember them in Rebels. You said the Mandalorians have reason to remember the Jedi in their culture, ut the jedi allied with the republic for over a thousand years, so every civilization would have reason to remember them, and that's without mentioning forgetting the jedi would be like us forgetting Nazis and what they did in world war 2, and there is evidence the Empire wasn't against mentioning the Jedi, but mentioning the Jedi in a positive context. Anakin Skywalker is remembered as a war hero (Read Thrawn Novels) and there are plenty of generals from the clone wars that remember and mention the Jedi, including Thrawn, though most are either mentioning them in a negative context or are considered very loyal.

People still tent to forget, how really few Jedi were in the Galaxy. Even in theirs best, 10k Knights is like nothing - like 1 Jedi per sector. Considering Jedi often work in pairs, and also have to have officials to care of Organization, is clear that in Outer Rim, Mid Rim, Hutt Space and practicly everywhere outside Core Worlds and few important for Jedi planets Jedi are practicly unknown, and treated more like a myth. They only travel to prevent larger Conflicts (like occupation of Naboo or, nomen omen, Mandalorian Civil War). Also, Jedi were generals during Clone Wars, but this is also misleading. Most of Clone Wars were more or less local conflicts, and Jedi and GAR were only spearhead of forces, directed only to most important fronts. Inhabitants of most affected by war worlds only seas Jedi as few letters in HoloNet news.

And Din Djarin most likely was grown outside Mandalorian Space - Mandalore was neutral during Clone Wars and no Separatists Forces were present. Also, Deathwatch was outlaws this time.

[Condensation she/her]

Wow, impressive.

[Use the Falchion]

 

@Spren of Kindness I'm going to respond here because I want to try and drag the Star Wars convo to the Star Wars thread. (It was partially my fault for derailing us, so I think I should take some action in trying to re-rail the threads.) 

First off, thanks for sharing your Star Wars story. It's always amazing to hear stories of those who connect with Rey.

As a black man, I really connected to Finn in TFA. To me, he was not only a sign that we could have black people (and men specifically, yes) as non-antagonistic main characters*, but also as protagonists. At the time I saw Star Wars as the next great mythic story for Sci-fi/fantasy in the veins of Lord of the Rings and The Wheel of Time. I was curious about where "my" place in the story was; Finn and Rey were signs that the franchise was moving in a more open direction. And seeing Finn wield the lightsaber in the teasers and the poster? I was utterly stoked. Finn's battle against Kylo was amazing, because to me it showed a man facing his fear to protect someone/something he loved. And then the ending of TFA happened, and I felt...weird. It would be for another few months to a year before I could say why I felt weird, but I knew something was off. Even still, I loved the movie. 

And then TLJ came out, and it became clear that Rian Johnson felt stronger about Rey and Ren than he did about Finn. (I'm not just talking about Finn's arc in the movie - Finn has more cut material than all of the other characters. Rey has her third lesson cut, while Finn has multiple scenes of his infiltration cut.) Even still, while I disagreed with RJ's interpretation of and arc for Finn,** I was happy he at least had an arc. But I still had hope that they could turn Finn's arc into something truly special by the last movie!

...and then TROS came out...and that stung. Finn resumed his role as the heart of the trio, but he wasn't given any real arc or reason. His accomplishments were handed to him, and his own powers went unexplored. His romances were stripped away*** and all that was left for me to see was a man screaming to help a woman who seemingly ignored him at every turn. 

It stung not just because of Finn's arc, but because it took place in a Post-Black Panther world. Black Panther showed the world that there's a need for black heroes on the big screen, and that there's an audience for them. That there are little boys and little girls who want to see people who look like them in movies not tailored just to them, but to everyone. Something that they can share and have in common with their friends of different races and genders and ethnicities that they would all know about. And Lucasfilm really dropped the ball on that one. 

 

Overall I'm sharing this not to devalue your experiences or opinions, or tell you that you're wrong for liking the ST, and I truly apologize if it sounds that way. I'm just trying to share a different perspective. You enjoy the ST because of nostalgia and the connection you have with Rey. Others like me may not enjoy it as much as we'd like to because of the connection we have with Finn. (I can't speak for the nostalgia - I grew up with the Prequels lol!) 

 

*HIs whole "I have something to tell you" screamed "I love you" to me, especially how reluctant to say it in front of others he was. 

**RJ's idea of having each character "hear the worst possible thing" for them is a good one, but I don't believe that Finn's worst possible thing was "The Resistance and the First Order are the same. Live free, don't join." Finn already knew he didn't have to join a side. Finn already knew he could live free, and how terrible the F.O. was. Finn needed to see the Resistance be different, and that's what RJ should have made his arc. How much more powerful would Finn's arc have been had he stayed behind while Poe went on the mission, and Holdo refused to tell her plans because she believed "people like Finn (stormtroopers, but the subtext would allow for racial interpretation) would never change." How much more powerful would it have been for Finn to ultimately decide that it's not up to someone else to choose his own fate; that the world can see him how it wishes, but he knows who he is. How much more powerful would it have been for Holdo to be proven wrong in her assumptions? The world will never know...

Also, Finn didn't need to fight Phasma again. He beat her the first time by outsmarting her, forcing her to become a traitor to save her own skin, and gaining his own agency. Beating her in a fight (which he really didn't do - BB-8 did) was superfluous. Now Poe fighting her? That's a cool matchup...and allows for BB-8 to save the day without feeling too much like a Deus Ex Machina.

***Why friendzone Rose in-between movies and off-screen in the book it happens, if not to get with Rey or Jannah? (In Resistance Reborn Rey asks about Finn's relationship with Jannah. Finn responds by stating that he and Rose talked about it and decided to be better off as friends.) But neither happen, so Finn is just left being single when they had a romance option they could have at least explored. My inner cynic has a few answers to why they did this, but I'd rather not go that dark. 

[Use the Falchion]

So here's a question - there are a couple of videos and posts out in the world about recasting/rebooting Star Wars. One of my favorites is Screen Junkie's gone-too-soon series Cast Away

 

So my question to y'all is, if you could recast any Star Wars trilogy, who would it be with and why? (And yes, you can give characters slightly larger roles than before.)

 

I know that right now I'd probably recast the prequels.

Outside of Qui-Gon Jinn and Maul, this is a list for Episode 2 & 3 casting, not Episode 1.


Qui-Gon Jinn: Lin-Manuel Miranda

I don't really know why I want this, but I think it could work. It'd be a vastly different interpretation than Liam Neeson's but I think it'd be fun to see. Besides, he brings in star power...and it was either him or Sean Bean. I think I chose Lin due to the meta-story. I like the idea that in Hamilton he was a student of Washington, and now he's finally a teacher.

Obi-Wan Kenobi: Robert Pattinson
I wanted someone devilishly charming and British (YES I KNOW EWAN IS SCOTTISH), and his was the first name that came to mind. 

If one wanted a Scottish actor, James McAvoy is a great choice.

Padme Amidala: Chloe Bennet
Cute, charming, and quite the action girl (with terrible taste in men to boot!), Chloe would shine in the role of Padme. For a reboot, I'd probably retool Padme's arc in order to make it line up more with the OT. So I need a leading lady who can keep up with that. Honestly for a reboot I'd overhaul Padme's entire role...

Anakin Skywalker: Ryan Gosling
Had you asked me about this choice a couple of years ago, I would have gone with a a person of color. Anakin's story would be much more powerful if it was a young black boy who was freed from slavery but never truly free from bondage. His distrust in a system that wanted to use him and his ultimate betrayal by someone he trusted screamed "OTHELLO" to me, and I reveled in it. (Yes, I know that version of Othello is more of modern interpretation, but I like it and I'd keep it.) Heck, in today's day and age, that still may work.
But if we're tying it into the OT, then I think Ryan Gosling is the best fit. He looks like he could be Harrison Ford's son, and him looking similar to Kylo Ren was weirdly the most important factor for me this time around.

If I went with my original feeling, I'd probably pick someone like Ricky Whittle or Winston Duke I haven't seen his work in American Gods, but I've heard nothing but good things about the show. And I enjoyed his character in The 100. Winston Duke is always good. 

 

 

Darth Maul: Iko Uwais

Iko's work in The Raid movies is nearly iconic at this point, and I sort of like the idea of having this smaller, seemingly not as menacing Maul be the ultimate threat that our heroes have to face. Besides, he can do all of his own stunts! (Also, his role in TFA was wasted. Give him another chance!)

Or Terry Crews! For those Brooklyn Nine-Nine jokes!

Or Min Na Wen. I love her role as Agent Melinda May aka The Cavalry in Agents of Shield, and I like the glares she can pull off. Seeing her as Maul would be hilarious. But again, I'm not sure the role would be good for her (and she's already Fennic Shand in The Mandalorian).

Darth Tyrannus/Count Dooku: Hugo Weaving
Hugo Weaving can totally play up the "I'm a noble, eat it" vibe that Dooku gives. He's also another LOTR veteran, so having him back would be awesome. However, I'd like to see him play a bit more domestic version of Dooku. Like, if we saw him at the beginning of the movie helping out with the politics, claiming that he left the Jedi Order to live a life helping out his home world as a politician, not unlike Padme. Have him pave the way for Anakin to think that he can survive and do good outside the Jedi Order. Give him and Padme the hope that they could live a normal life together...and then the war starts, destroying any chance of that. And then the reveal happens that he's actually behind the assassination attempt and everything else. Have him reveal that he's sick of acting like the middle-man for government. (All-the-while not realizing that he's also a middle-man for Palpatine.) He's a count and he wants respect! And in the new world that his master will bring...he'll have it.
 

Darth Sidious/Chancellor Palpatine: Andre Braugher
NINE-NINE! ...apparently I won't stop until I put the entire cast of Brooklyn Nine Nine into Star Wars...
The original plan was to put Samuel L Jackson as Palpatine. Imagine him saying "I AM THE MOTHERF-@>#<G SENATE!" It'd be hilarious! But Jackson hasn't played a role that requires an Affable nature for quite some time. I think we need that. People would subtext the ever-loving stuffing out of this choice, but I think it's about the skill in this case, not the skin. (Although the skin can be used to raise a point.)

Another surprise choice may be Robert Downey Jr. This is more for meta-parallels than anything else; and if I was going to do that, I'd probably put Chris Evans in as Grievous. No thanks.

A third, extremely out of the box choice would be Amy Poehler. Amy is mostly a comedian*, but seeing her play the sort of maternal replacement role to Anakin all-the-while using him for her own in could echo some really cool historical matriarchs. (Empress Dowager Cixi for the Qing dynasty in China comes to mind.) (Although then people would start rooting for Leslie Knope as the Galactic Emperor...and that would lead to people memetically rooting for the Empire more than I'd like...but if it gets us Aubrey Plaza as a Sith...) Like Andre, going for this role means that people will most likely get the wrong message out of this, and that's what the scrip would have to work hard to avoid. 


Asajj Ventress: Hannah Quinlivan
 I think she'd work well as an action role, and the PT needs more female action roles...and more active roles for women in general...


Mace Windu: Henry Simmons
...I've been watching a lot of Agents of Shield...
Henry has the authoritarian nature that a Mace Windu needs to have. He has the body-type to make Mace intimidating, and the iron-nature to make Mace seem dogmatic. I think he'd fit the role nicely.

 

 

So yeah, what are your choices?

 

*Comedy is NOTORIOUSLY difficult to get right, so those who act in comedy usually have the chops for more dramatic and operatic pieces of work too. I don't doubt Amy's ability in this field at all. 

Edited November 10, 2020 by Use the Falchion

[Orlion Blight he/him]

You didn't recast Jar-Jar Binks, one of the most pivotal characters in the prequel trilogy! 

[Use the Falchion]

19 hours ago, Orlionra said:

You didn't recast Jar-Jar Binks, one of the most pivotal characters in the prequel trilogy! 

Ha! In that case, why not Taika Waititi? He has Mo-cap experience and is a pretty hilarious actor himself. 

[Bearer of all agonies he/him]

Mandalorian Season Two is out! Woohoo! I really need to start watching it. . . 

[Orlion Blight he/him]

15 hours ago, Use the Falchion said:

Ha! In that case, why not Taika Waititi? He has Mo-cap experience and is a pretty hilarious actor himself. 

[Orlion Blight he/him]

Looks like they are finally going to release some High Republic stuffs. 

Anyone going to get in on that? 

[Spren of Kindness she/her]

I don't know much about the Old Republic, I read one book from the protosaber era in March when I was bored out of my skull without any of my books.  I'm interested, but I probably won't make an effort to get any of it, though if I come across any of it, I might pick it up.  Any idea what they might be putting out?  Are these preexisting characters that people recognize?

[Orlion Blight he/him]

1 hour ago, Spren of Kindness said:

I don't know much about the Old Republic, I read one book from the protosaber era in March when I was bored out of my skull without any of my books.  I'm interested, but I probably won't make an effort to get any of it, though if I come across any of it, I might pick it up.  Any idea what they might be putting out?  Are these preexisting characters that people recognize?

It's High Republic, so no Old Republic stuffs. Takes place hundreds of years before the Skywalker Saga, so only Yoda will be a recognizable character. 

Apparently, the first antagonists will be Vikings....in....SPAAAAAAACE!

The announced Disney+ show, The Acolyte, will take place in this time period. 

[Condensation she/her]

 

[Use the Falchion]

4 hours ago, Ooklara said:

Looks like they are finally going to release some High Republic stuffs. 

Anyone going to get in on that? 

I'll read the Claudia Gray books because she's really the only Star Wars author whose books I will 100% buy AND read. Charles Soule earned himself status on the "I'll check it out first" list*, but everyone else is up in the air. 

Overall though, I'm just not that excited for the High Republic. It feels too close to the PT to feel like it's own thing, yet so...archaic that any Old Republic stuff that comes out would feel like it's encroaching on that same territory. And it doesn't move beyond the ST, so I really can't wash the bad taste of TROS out of my mouth. So in a time when I wanted Star Wars to move forward, they moved backwards instead, yet weirdly not far back enough to truly satisfy me. Add that into how separate and full of red-herrings** the EU material has been for the most part, and yeah, I'm pretty skeptical.

But I am happy Lucasfilm is truly committed to making its own era in Star Wars, and I hope everything is really high quality and super cool and fun. 

 

*He should probably be higher, but I find the comics I've read by him to be pretty hit-or-miss. Lando was solid but not great IMO; Poe Dameron was good with moments of greatness, but overall about the same as Lando; Darth Vader was phenomenal, and I love it; and I haven't actually read The Rise of Kylo Ren despite me knowing what happens in the story. I don't blame my disinterest on Soule though. He was forced to work with characters who, Boba Fett, Captain Phasma, and so many others, had been introduced as one thing and turned into a complete joke by the end. 

**Gallius Rax in Lost Stars and the Aftermath trilogy, Admiral Sloane's fate, the tree from the Shattered Empire comics, the compass from the Battlefront 2 campaign, the entirety of The Force Collector book, etc. I'm not saying any or all of this is bad, but after being burned on red herrings and fake-outs for the past five years, I've learned to be far more wary of what Star Wars material I want to consume and who it's by. 

[BloomAgeOne]

7 hours ago, Ooklara said:

Looks like they are finally going to release some High Republic stuffs. 

Anyone going to get in on that? 

I don't think that I'll look into it in the foreseeable future, apart from maybe looking at some plot summaries of the entire sequence if it becomes relevant. Apart from just generally being busy with school et cetera, I feel like I'd rather continue reading existing Star Wars material that I find more enjoyable personally, or more fantasy novels. There's still a few fantasy series on my reading list that I plan to finish before trying out any Disney-Canon Star Wars again. 

 

[BloomAgeOne]

I actually wanted to say that today I had a look at what some people were talking about in relation to the High Republic releases, and I think that it sounds like it was much better than I was anticipating. I've seen several positive reviews from a variety of people, including fans of the Star Wars Legends timeline (which I particularly value, as I consider myself an EU fan rather than a Disney/Clone Wars-Era fan). Apparently with some minor head-canon errata, what has been released so far could even be included in the Legends timeline, which is something that nothing else released by Disney can really claim.

I think the main complaint I have so far (from looking at some stuff they've put out) is that they've released the list of Jedi Council members during the High Republic, and there are some conspicuous absences. The first is Yaddle, which I found particularly curious, since her former padawan Oppo Rancisis is on the council. The other two - T'un and Tyvokka - aren't technically Disney canon, but it would have been nice to see them become canon here, and for the authors to recognise us EU fans still watching on. I suppose that this is probably one of the errata that would have to be adopted from my pov. 

Although I probably won't read any of it until more of it comes out and I have more free time on my hands, I now think that at the very least I will try to read some of it in the near-ish future.

Edited January 6, 2021 by BloomAgeOne

[Jaywalk he/him]

I'm rather intrigued by the High Republic. It's nice to see Star Wars in the Disney era trying something new--that isn't just incorporating everything into live-action tv shows. I think I might pick up the first book, if only to watch the property I love so much grow in a new direction.

I also have to say, I'm glad they actually had a plan for this series, unlike the sequel trilogy.