Hoid the Former Drifter he/him Posted July 30, 2020 Posted July 30, 2020 How was it splintered if there was no opposing power to do so?
0 Frustration Posted July 30, 2020 Posted July 30, 2020 We aren't sure, more will be known when DragonSteel comes out. Some have theorized that he wanted to die.
0 Weltall Posted July 30, 2020 Posted July 30, 2020 All we know is that some weapon was involved (the 'opposition' mentioned being the group that killed Adonalsium) and while it no longer exists in its original form there are remnants of it and Hoid's immortality is linked to it in some way. Oh, and that people who've read Dragonsteel Prime would apparently know something about it, so there must be hints dropped in that book.
0 Hoid the Former Drifter he/him Posted July 30, 2020 Author Posted July 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, Frustration said: he wanted to die but that doesn't show how 16 people were able to splinter a deity.
0 Frustration Posted July 30, 2020 Posted July 30, 2020 Just now, Hoid the Drifter said: but that doesn't show how 16 people were able to splinter a deity. The people who theorize it, think that Adonalsium planned for it to happen and then let them kill him.
0 Weltall Posted July 31, 2020 Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Hoid the Drifter said: but that doesn't show how 16 people were able to splinter a deity. Adonalsium might have allowed it to happen even if it would normally be impossible (or at least extremely implausible) to accomplish, or there could be some exploit that we don't know about that made it a lot more plausible than might be apparent. We know the Shards are all bound by certain rules because of Adonalsium, so maybe there was some way these rules also bound Adonalsium and were used against it. Also, magic was a thing before the Shattering so it's not like the Vessels were just a group of people standing in a field somewhere with nothing more than harsh language. It's possible they had resources we can't yet imagine, like this mysterious weapon that Brandon told us about. If a remnant of this weapon was able to make Hoid super-immortal, it's clearly something special. And there's at least one dragon who was involved in some way and it's likely that one or more of the Vessels was a dragon, so they might have more resources at their disposal as well. Edited July 31, 2020 by Weltall
0 Eternal Khol he/him Posted August 1, 2020 Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, Weltall said: It's possible they had resources we can't yet imagine i dont think they would've had anything like that. Yolen was in the Bronze age when the Shattering happened. i doubt they had any real resources. Edited August 1, 2020 by Eternal Khol
0 Frustration Posted August 1, 2020 Posted August 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said: i dont think they would've had anything like that. Yolen was in the Bronze age when the Shattering happened. i doubt they had any real resources. They had DragonSteel.
0 Eternal Khol he/him Posted August 1, 2020 Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Frustration said: They had DragonSteel. this just popped into my head a second ago, but what it Dragonsteel was involved somehow, with the Shattering? and thats where Hoids immortality comes from? i cant let this feeling go, that the Shattering was mostly the result of the conflict between the Fain/Sho Del and the Humans. like, the Coming of Fain marked the end of an era. The end of Ado Edited August 1, 2020 by Eternal Khol
0 Hoid the Former Drifter he/him Posted August 5, 2020 Author Posted August 5, 2020 On 7/30/2020 at 6:00 PM, Frustration said: The people who theorize it, think that Adonalsium planned for it to happen and then let them kill him. Why would Adonalsium plan for that? Was he sick of being God?
0 Hoid the Former Drifter he/him Posted August 5, 2020 Author Posted August 5, 2020 On 7/30/2020 at 10:03 PM, Weltall said: And there's at least one dragon who was involved in some way and it's likely that one or more of the Vessels was a dragon, so they might have more resources at their disposal as well. So... where are the dragons currently?
0 Weltall Posted August 5, 2020 Posted August 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Hoid the Drifter said: So... where are the dragons currently? Frost is still on Yolen, we may have seen others but because they're shapeshifters we would not recognize them. There are arguments to be made for Edgli and/or Bavadin being dragons (Nalthis has a word for it for a reason, natural shapeshifting could explain Autonomy's MO with creatung avatars) but nothing is proven.
0 Frustration Posted August 5, 2020 Posted August 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Hoid the Drifter said: Why would Adonalsium plan for that? Was he sick of being God? Idk It's just a prevailing theory.
0 Hoid the Former Drifter he/him Posted August 6, 2020 Author Posted August 6, 2020 18 hours ago, Frustration said: Idk It's just a prevailing theory. I know! he got sick of being god because if you aren't a physical being, you can't eat instant noodles! 1
0 gloriousGlorfindel Posted August 6, 2020 Posted August 6, 2020 I'm guessing his futuresight is better than all the shards put together. So, if there's some event that needs to happen in the cosmere (which wouldn't have happened with him alive) that he foresaw, he might have consented to the shattering. As to what that event is, I think we'll find out in space-era mistborn, maybe he also gets put back together then (which he might have foreseen). Tens of thousands of years are probably nothing to a god. I'm excited to find out!
0 Honorless he/him Posted August 6, 2020 Posted August 6, 2020 On 8/5/2020 at 10:31 PM, Hoid the Drifter said: Why would Adonalsium plan for that? Was he sick of being God? Well... there is the Iriali religion of the One, that might shed some light on it
0 Eternal Khol he/him Posted August 6, 2020 Posted August 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Honorless said: Well... there is the Iriali religion of the One, that might shed some light on it Brandon has said that The One has some echoes of Adonalsium, but the religion is more influenced by rececnt events(after the shattering) Questioner Is the Iri religion based on knowledge of the [Shattering], anything like that? Brandon Sanderson Kind of, yes. Questioner But they don't know it? Brandon Sanderson They don't know it, yeah. I would say yes, there are echoes of it. There are more recent events that they don't even quite remember that are more influential. Oathbringer London signing (Nov. 28, 2017)
0 Honorless he/him Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Eternal Khol said: Brandon has said that The One has some echoes of Adonalsium, but the religion is more influenced by rececnt events(after the shattering) Questioner Is the Iri religion based on knowledge of the [Shattering], anything like that? Brandon Sanderson Kind of, yes. Questioner But they don't know it? Brandon Sanderson They don't know it, yeah. I would say yes, there are echoes of it. There are more recent events that they don't even quite remember that are more influential. Oathbringer London signing (Nov. 28, 2017) Then it makes me think Autonomy
0 Eternal Khol he/him Posted August 7, 2020 Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Honorless said: Then it makes me think Autonomy Thats what i was thinking too. like maybe a bunch of people left Taldain. Autonomy blocked/closed her perp and those people couldnt make it home so they went planet to planet instead. Eventually hoping to return home. Its not a very good theory(just came up with it) but it kinda works Edited August 7, 2020 by Eternal Khol
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