Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Schneeente said: So what you are saying is that your genes determine your entire life? Neither you nor your environment has an impact? Non-sarcastic: Just because he might be genetically predisposed towards depression doesn't mean his father doesn't have an effect / is one of the reasons / cannot help. Kaladin’s depression appears to be biologically based, exacerbated by environmental factors. This is evidenced by its early onset, prior to the majority of his issues with his father. 2
Schneeente Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: Kaladin’s depression appears to be biologically based, exacerbated by environmental factors. This is evidenced by its early onset, prior to the majority of his issues with his father. If I remember correctly when he was small he was mainly depressed during the time in which there were no highstorms and it rained 24/7. Nowadays it seems that he is not only far more frequently depressed, he seems to be constantly depressed. So while I agree, he has a biological predisposition towards it, his current status cannot be explained solely by biological reasons.
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 Just now, Schneeente said: If I remember correctly when he was small he was mainly depressed during the time in which there were no highstorms and it rained 24/7. Nowadays it seems that he is not only far more frequently depressed, he seems to be constantly depressed. So while I agree, he has a biological predisposition towards it, his current status cannot be explained solely by biological reasons. Untreated depression will likely get worse. Currently he has depression without a trigger. He has chronic depression, which is cyclical, comorbid with SAD, which is seasonal. Without the genetic predisposition, he would likely not have depression at all. 2
Schneeente Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 Just now, Kingsdaughter613 said: Untreated depression will likely get worse Aha, there are ways to it better. Thank you! My point remains, if Kal's father would show that he loves his eldest son and would stop condemning him, it would surely help his depression.
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Schneeente said: Aha, there are ways to it better. Thank you! My point remains, if Kal's father would show that he loves his eldest son and would stop condemning him, it would surely help his depression. Not necessarily. Depression really doesn’t work that way. It’s misery despite positive stimuli. Medication and CBT are more likely to help than Lirin suddenly approving of his son’s choices - and Lirin shouldn’t have to. He shouldn’t have to change his personality or his beliefs for someone else’s benefit. Nevermind that Lirin was right; being a soldier was bad for Kal - which is what Lirin’s problem really is. Kal has plenty of other people who can give him the approval he needs. And Lirin strikes me as very much the sort to support and approve of his son going to therapy; just by nature he isn’t the right person to give Kal emotional support. They’re too much alike, and Lirin has a rather cool personality. 3
Schneeente Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 11 hours ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: It’s misery despite positive stimuli. That might be so, but you are arguing that it makes no difference if you have positive or negative stimuli and that I really doubt. Even though I admit I am not an expert it contradicts common sense to say that "external factors" (e.g. friends, a loving-boy/girlfriend, a healthy relationship with your parents) have no effect on your mental well-being.
Karger he/him Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Schneeente said: That might be so, but you are arguing that it makes no difference if you have positive or negative stimuli and that I really doubt. Even though I admit I am not an expert it contradicts common sense to say that "external factors" (e.g. friends, a loving-boy/girlfriend, a healthy relationship with your parents) have no effect on your mental well-being. Kaladin's mental health and depression are like your overall health and a chronic genetic illness. Being in "good shape" might make a chronic illness more manageable as well as slow its spread and treat the symptoms but that does not mean that Kaladin's father approving of him will make his depression go away anymore then working out and eating healthy will cure cystic fibrosis. 4
Chana Posted October 3, 2020 Posted October 3, 2020 While I don't think Lirin approving of Kal will suddenly cure him, I believe that Kaladin figuring out his relationship with his father is one of the steps for his recovery. Like it doesn't happen have to by conversation with his father but considering that they will be in the same city for some time, probably working together, that seems like a natural way to make it happen. Like if Kaladin had professional therapy, he would probably resolve the issues there but considering that this is not gonna happen he'll probably gonna end up getting help from multiple people. We can already see that Adolin seems to be helping him cope with symptoms and tries to figure out how to help him more long term. He will probably talk some more with Dalinar which will help him figure things out. Like if you can deal with depression using CBT it is possible to deal with it by having honest conversations with people and doing self-discovery on your own. Maybe not totally get rid of it but at least get it under control and make it more manageable. And that probably will be the case here cause its not like Roshar offers therapy or any medication and this problem needs to have some sort of resolution. 1
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