Mikanium Posted May 31, 2014 Posted May 31, 2014 Can someone who can infuse themselves with stormlight, from gemstones, take the stromlight from shardplate? If not why?
kaellok he/him Posted May 31, 2014 Posted May 31, 2014 Possibly. If not, then it would be due to Plate being made of Investiture, which makes it hard to be affected by other forms of Investiture. For instance, Plate protects against Lashings and Lightning, as well as Blades. The more Investiture something has, the harder it is to affect. WoB has it that Blades are very difficult to affect, but it may be possible to Push or Pull one with a Duralumin-fueled Push. Blades presumably have more Investiture, due to their nature, than Plate, which is why Plate will eventually give 'way to them.
RShara she/her Posted May 31, 2014 Posted May 31, 2014 It would be difficult because the Stormlight is being used by the ShardPlate Q: Elhokar's assassination attempt, the drained spheres from his Plate - was that him draining them, Surgebinding?A: That's a RAFO. Good question. Let me say this. Drawing the Stormlight from an active set of Shardplate is very difficult to do.
king of nowhere Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 also would be of little use cause it would lock the plate. But true, it is difficult becauuse they are invested objects, same reason that let them resist shardblades. I always assumed, instead, that protection from lightning came from the armo behaving like a faraday's cage.
oak253 Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 When Szeth assassinated Gavilar, he drew Stormlight from Gavilar's Shardplate, but only after unbuckling the breastplate to access the gemstones while Gavilar was incapacitated. I think the Plate would be considered "active" since Gavilar was still alive at the time and the Plate hadn't stopped functioning. However, we also know that the rules are somewhat different with Szeth since he isn't exactly a Surgebinder.
Terisen he/him Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 One of the things I'm curious about with Shardplate is whether or not the Stormlight fueling it would come from the Surgebinder directly or not with a Radiant. Seems we've gotten RAFO'd on that a bunch. But it seems to me that taking Stormlight from the plate would almost be like trying to draw Stormlight from a Surgebinder. In my head, the gems are simply replacing the Surgebinder, so you'd treat the Surgebinder and gems the same.
Aleksiel Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 Kaladin ran out of stormlight in the dueling arena because the helm fen on his spheres, but Kal wasn't able to breath in the stromlight from the helm. What I find most interesting about this is that Plate is extremely heavy (much heavier than a regular armor) and stormlight make it much lighter, but someone in Plate needs an extra strong chair to sit down on. So it's lighter only for the user. I find this very odd. I think it's safe to rule out spren-made Plate, because Blades don't become heavier when their gems run out of stormlight. 1
Guest Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 Kaladin ran out of stormlight in the dueling arena because the helm fen on his spheres, but Kal wasn't able to breath in the stromlight from the helm. What I find most interesting about this is that Plate is extremely heavy (much heavier than a regular armor) and stormlight make it much lighter, but someone in Plate needs an extra strong chair to sit down on. So it's lighter only for the user. I find this very odd. I think it's safe to rule out spren-made Plate, because Blades don't become heavier when their gems run out of stormlight. Actually, the plate is heavy for the user as well. They need the plate to support the weight of the plate. When they put it on, they start with the foot and they make their way up. During his fight against Eshonai, Adolin loses one of his forearm plate and is forced to let go of the gauntlet because it got too heavy. Also, after Adolin gets thrown down from the sky by Szeth, he loses one of his leg's plate and he is unable to stand up anymore. He tries, but he keeps falling. Bottom line, you need the plate to bear the weight of the plate. You need stormlight as well. We see in Adolin's duel how his plate starts to get heavy when it leeks stormlight. It locks down completely when it loses it all and Adolin is stuck in it, unable to move or to remove it himself.
Aleksiel Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 Actually, the plate is heavy for the user as well. They need the plate to support the weight of the plate. When they put it on, they start with the foot and they make their way up. During his fight against Eshonai, Adolin loses one of his forearm plate and is forced to let go of the gauntlet because it got too heavy. Also, after Adolin gets thrown down from the sky by Szeth, he loses one of his leg's plate and he is unable to stand up anymore. He tries, but he keeps falling. Bottom line, you need the plate to bear the weight of the plate. You need stormlight as well. We see in Adolin's duel how his plate starts to get heavy when it leeks stormlight. It locks down completely when it loses it all and Adolin is stuck in it, unable to move or to remove it himself. Ah, thanks for pointing this out, I've forgotten it. It's heavy when infused and it locks down when spheres go dun, making it impossible to move, so it actually feels heavier for the user, but it could be because it no longer grants extra strength and endurance. I want to sort it out, I'm trying to come up with a solid theory on Plate and this is one of the issues I have.
Patrick Star Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 Can someone who can infuse themselves with stormlight, from gemstones, take the stromlight from shardplate? I'd say that the opposite is true. During the duel, Kaladin's shardhelm boxing glove literally sucked the stormlight out of him in order to repair itself.
RShara she/her Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 I always think of it as acting like a biomechanical suit. It takes its own weight, and its responsiveness keeps you from feeling the inertia of moving it around. But when the power runs out, normal physics go back into effect.
Guest Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 Ah, thanks for pointing this out, I've forgotten it. It's heavy when infused and it locks down when spheres go dun, making it impossible to move, so it actually feels heavier for the user, but it could be because it no longer grants extra strength and endurance. I want to sort it out, I'm trying to come up with a solid theory on Plate and this is one of the issues I have. What's your theory? Maybe we can help
kari-no-sugata Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 I always think of it as acting like a biomechanical suit. It takes its own weight, and its responsiveness keeps you from feeling the inertia of moving it around. But when the power runs out, normal physics go back into effect. That's basically how I see it too. I've wondered if it's possible to make much much bigger versions, if you had the resources, and basically have a giant robot
kaellok he/him Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) That's basically how I see it too. I've wondered if it's possible to make much much bigger versions, if you had the resources, and basically have a giant robot Maybe it's because I'm a child of the late80s/90s, but I would love to see a bunch of KR fly up and join together to form MECHA-KR (like Voltron or Power Rangers) and do battle with giant voidspren that make chasmfiends look tiny and insignificant. Edited June 1, 2014 by kaellok 2
Guest Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 Maybe it's because I'm a child of the late80s/90s, but I would love to see a bunch of KR fly up and join together to form MECHA-KR (like Voltron or Power Rangers) and do battle with giant voidspren that make chasmfiends look tiny and insignificant. OMG you know the Voltron? This is old old school stuff that was slightly still around when I was a preschooler I used to play with Voltron. My sister, my cousin and I had a whole set. They would go on wars and fights and finish their journey at the hospital............. I am surprised someone born at the end of the 80s would know about it. I will not comment on Power Rangers I thought they were a poor rip off of Voltron... besides I was too old to actually watch it without some shame Although some friend of mine watch some of it as she thought one of the guy was cute
kaellok he/him Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 I was actually born in early 80s, but we didn't have TV for a long time. I had a Voltron raincoat, though, and I wore it everywhere. It didn't even rain that much.
Guest Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) I was actually born in early 80s, but we didn't have TV for a long time. I had a Voltron raincoat, though, and I wore it everywhere. It didn't even rain that much. That explains it then I was born in 1980 and even in my french environment, Voltron was a popular show. I don't recall in which language it played though. According the Wikipedia, it aired in 1984-1985 so that was about the time where I watched it: must have been in English then. I guess I liked the idea of flying fighting lions to watch a show I didn't understand a word of it I recalled I played with my Voltron toys for a long time.... Albeit, most people younger than me never heard about it. Voltron KR matching themselves to become a huge strike force.... Geeee I could almost see it... Edited June 2, 2014 by maxal
Mikanium Posted June 9, 2014 Author Posted June 9, 2014 I was thinking of when Shalan made her illusion, then inhaled the stormlight to banish the illusion... That's what made me wonder about the shadeplate. Could anyone with the ability to invest/infuse stormlight have taken the stormlight from her illusion? I would hope not, but I don't think we have any facts to say otherwise. And about the plate, I don't think you have to see a gem to be able to use it's light.. Which makes me wonder if the plate itself is protecting it. What would protect it? Aluminum? Could ShadPlate be made from Aluminum?
Moogle Posted June 9, 2014 Posted June 9, 2014 Could anyone with the ability to invest/infuse stormlight have taken the stormlight from her illusion? We don't know, but I'll bet money that the answer is "no". Only she can take it - it's probably exactly like metalminds in Mistborn. With some Feruchemical aluminum hijinks, a Surgebinder might be able to take the Stormlight of other people, but it's unlikely to ever come up in Stormlight unless there's some serious crossover. And about the plate, I don't think you have to see a gem to be able to use it's light.. Which makes me wonder if the plate itself is protecting it. Plate 'sucks' harder on Stormlight than a Surgebinder does, so it's very difficult to take Stormlight from an active set of Plate. As well, Plate is heavily Invested, so that will offer protection from a Surgebinder not wearing the Plate trying to take Light from the gems inside. Szeth had to physically open Gavilar's Plate to get at it.
11thorderknight Posted June 9, 2014 Posted June 9, 2014 I was thinking of when Shalan made her illusion, then inhaled the stormlight to banish the illusion... That's what made me wonder about the shadeplate. Could anyone with the ability to invest/infuse stormlight have taken the stormlight from her illusion? I would hope not, but I don't think we have any facts to say otherwise. I very much doubt it. We have multiple Cosmere instances where an individual who "externalizes" investiture is able to draw it back, but no one else can (at least not without major difficulty). I bet Shallan's illusions, or Kaladin's Lashes, or Lift's slickness, will all be like the Breath in an Awaked object - it's there, and might even be able to be perceived by another surgebinder with enough investiture, but only its original owner will be able to draw it back before it runs out.
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