Honorless he/him Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 There is a bright patch of red stars visible from some of the Shardworlds, called Taln's Scar on Roshar, Red Rip on Scadrial and Starbelt on Threnody. There have been theories on whether it had something to do with the Shattering of Adonalsium, as well as associating it with Investiture corruption due to it being red Found this interesting WoB: Quote Argent Do the constellations have actual names you can share with us? Isaac Stewart Clockwise from Threnody: the Mourner, the Dragon, the Fisherman, the Giver, the Lamp, the Knight, and the One Tree. The names are a bit generic, mostly because they are working names I used to refer to the different constellations during the process of painting the piece. It should be noted that the people from the spot in the Cosmere where the night sky does look like this would not see these pictures in the constellations nor give them these names. The pictures the patron saw in the stars here are based on their own observations and knowledge about the Cosmere as a whole. The locals would see entirely different pictures in their stars, for those who can even see the stars from their vantage. One tidbit I should mention is that the lamp used to be a constellation called the Lover and was a man receiving breath from the Giver. I dropped it mostly because it's reference to Devotion wasn't working visually. Another thing to note: Not all the stars on this chart are physically within the Cosmere. Some are in the parts of Space beyond the Cosmere. Footnote: This is from a private email exchange between Argent and Isaac Stewart.Miscellaneous 2017 (June 1, 2017) Redshift occurs when stars are moving away from your point of view due to the rapid expansion of space. Did something happen that caused an entire stellar region to get pushed outwards? The Red Rip being related to the Shattering seems more and more likely... 2
Aon Tia she/her Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Honorless said: Redshift occurs when stars are moving away from your point of view due to the rapid expansion of space True but I always thought that these are called red rip because these are a constellation of red stars or one prominent red star. And a red star is simply a star that has reached the end cycle, core has become predominantly of helium. So it is some really old stars. But I still think that these are very relevant as they are constantly mentioned again and again.. may even be where yolen is, so associated with shattering but, unfortunately red shift is not something visible through the naked eye.... 1
Honorless he/him Posted November 9, 2019 Author Posted November 9, 2019 28 minutes ago, The traveller said: True but I always thought that these are called red rip because these are a constellation of red stars or one prominent red star. And a red star is simply a star that has reached the end cycle, core has become predominantly of helium. So it is some really old stars. But I still think that these are very relevant as they are constantly mentioned again and again.. may even be where yolen is, so associated with shattering but, unfortunately red shift is not something visible through the naked eye.... True, but then again technically all stars are more white than anything, be they red dwarfs or blue giants, and it all takes specialized equipment to observe them. I do like the idea of these sections of stars to be old red dwarfs too. That definitely fits Yolen as the origin point. Hmm... Threnody's star is a red dwarf too (but separate from the Rip)
Aon Tia she/her Posted November 10, 2019 Posted November 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Honorless said: I do like the idea of these sections of stars to be old red dwarfs too. That definitely fits Yolen as the origin point. Hmm... Threnody's star is a red dwarf too (but separate from the Rip) Yup exactly.. if they are really old then they fit anyway.. no other wobs on taln’s scar?
Honorless he/him Posted November 10, 2019 Author Posted November 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, The traveller said: Yup exactly.. if they are really old then they fit anyway.. no other wobs on taln’s scar? I only found two others: One confirming that what is visible from all these planets is the same patch of stars The other stating that the Red Rip isn't connected to the red haze over Scadrial in era 2 1
Karger he/him Posted November 10, 2019 Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) Perhaps the first act of the shards was to banish yolen by adding acceleration away from the other stars and destroying its perpendicularity(if it had one). Edited November 10, 2019 by Karger
Honorless he/him Posted November 10, 2019 Author Posted November 10, 2019 7 hours ago, Karger said: Perhaps the first act of the shards was to banish yolen by adding acceleration away from the other stars and destroying its perpendicularity (if it had one). Maybe, Spoiler especially going with the Fainlife infection theory I have an even wilder tinfoil speculation: what if the small sun visible on the Cognitive is actually Yolen? 1
Karger he/him Posted November 10, 2019 Posted November 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Honorless said: I have an even wilder tinfoil speculation: what if the small sun visible on the Cognitive is actually Yolen? You mean the dark sun on Roshar?
Honorless he/him Posted November 10, 2019 Author Posted November 10, 2019 45 minutes ago, Karger said: You mean the dark sun on Roshar? It also manifests on Scadrial's subastral, yes
Karger he/him Posted November 10, 2019 Posted November 10, 2019 19 minutes ago, Honorless said: It also manifests on Scadrial's subastral, yes I thought that those are just those planet's respective suns. 1
Honorless he/him Posted November 10, 2019 Author Posted November 10, 2019 Just now, Karger said: I thought that those are just those planet's respective suns. They are/It is noted to be different: dimmer, colder and unmoving
Karger he/him Posted November 10, 2019 Posted November 10, 2019 Just now, Honorless said: They are/It is noted to be different: dimmer, colder and unmoving I just figured that was the CR doing odd things.
Honorless he/him Posted November 10, 2019 Author Posted November 10, 2019 Just now, Karger said: I just figured that was the CR doing odd things. It could be. Like I said, tinfoil.
Karger he/him Posted November 10, 2019 Posted November 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Honorless said: tinfoil aluminum
Aon Tia she/her Posted November 10, 2019 Posted November 10, 2019 26 minutes ago, Karger said: I thought that those are just those planet's respective suns. Agreed... this is what I always thought
Steel Inquisitive he/him Posted November 11, 2019 Posted November 11, 2019 I always thought it was the Spiritual Realm. 1
Honorless he/him Posted November 11, 2019 Author Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Steel Inquisitive said: I always thought it was the Spiritual Realm. That actually was my first thoughts regarding it. But like I said, tinfoil. It'd be cool if that happened, nothing more. A few questions appear with this though: why would the Spiritual Realm have a representation in the Cognitive? Why would it be described as cold and not particularly bright? One thing that is for the theory is the metaphor of the Three Realms where: the light source is the Spiritual, the light is the Cognitive, and where the light falls is the Physical. Edited November 11, 2019 by Honorless
ecohansen Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Personally, I've always thought it was redshift, but I had acceleration going the other way. Why is the Cosmere so small? It would make sense if the Cosmere is a small region that is ITSELF being accelerated away from a larger universe. The Red Rift is the galaxy that the Cosmere was originally part of, rapidly receding in the rearview mirror. If the Cosmere is accelerating towards relativistic speed, it will experience time dilation, and will continue to exist after the rest of the univers has experienced heat-death. Maybe Adonalsium had a disagreement with the god of its galaxy, and decided to run away so it could outlast that god. The entity/ies that Shattered Adonalsium could have been allied to the Galactic God, and wanted to prevent the Cosmere from leaving the galaxy, but failed. Anyway, that's my tinfoil. Edited January 5, 2020 by ecohansen
Honorless he/him Posted January 5, 2020 Author Posted January 5, 2020 12 hours ago, ecohansen said: Personally, I've always thought it was redshift, but I had acceleration going the other way. Why is the Cosmere so small? It would make sense if the Cosmere is a small region that is ITSELF being accelerated away from a larger universe. The Red Rift is the galaxy that the Cosmere was originally part of, rapidly receding in the rearview mirror. If the Cosmere is accelerating towards relativistic speed, it will experience time dilation, and will continue to exist after the rest of the univers has experienced heat-death. Maybe Adonalsium had a disagreement with the god of its galaxy, and decided to run away so it could outlast that god. The entity/ies that Shattered Adonalsium could have been allied to the Galactic God, and wanted to prevent the Cosmere from leaving the galaxy, but failed. Anyway, that's my tinfoil. I've always liked the idea of other Adonalsium-class beings out there, plus there were comments like this: Quote Chaos You have once said, with regard to a question about Shards being the most powerful thing in the cosmere, that some would say that other "subtle forces" are being manifest. Are these subtle forces related to Adonalsium's opposition? Brandon Sanderson There is belief in a God who is not one of the Shards. /r/books AMA 2015 (June 5, 2015) but sadly the story is never gonna go there: Quote Mestiv Cosmere is a dwarf galaxy. Does Investiture exist in other galaxies? Do those galaxies have their own Adonalsiums? Brandon Sanderson That is beyond the scope... that's a RAFO, but not a RAFO I'm going to answer, that is a RAFO that we are concerned only with the cosmere. Skype Q&A (Oct. 8, 2018) so I came up with this theory which fit within the Cosmere
Elegy he/him Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 There's this WOB about the Rosharan sun's white color: Quote Leiyan I'm curious about the sun because it's described as white, and our sun is typically yellow. I assume it's a different type of star? Brandon Sanderson The yellowing of our sun is not actually caused...so our sun being yellow is not based on the star's actual color. Leiyan So is it bigger than our sun? Smaller? If there's anything you want to throw out there I'll take it. Brandon Sanderson Okay...I'm having to reach into my memory. This is not canon. Younger and larger, I believe it is both. Younger and larger. Brandon Sanderson The star's age, at Roshar...Earth astronomers would say that is a star which could not have planets with life on them. Words of Radiance Philadelphia signing (March 21, 2014) I'm not well-read about astrology, but this seems to imply that the white suns in the cosmere are very young stars, relatively speaking. Most of them are yellow. The red ones are almost all clustered together. Maybe it just means that they are older than the rest. That would mean that the stars in Taln's Scar were the first to be created - the oldest stars in the cosmere. (On a side-note, the Threnodite sun is red as well. That might have something to do with the fight that raged in that system. Maybe it accelerated the natural process? And maybe the Shattering did the same to Taln's Scar.)
SirWolfe Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 I don't believe that the stars in the Scar are red dwarfs, because they are stated to be quite bright. Red dwarfs are red because they are colder, and their small size makes them dimmer. So I think they are more likely larger stars, such as giants or supergiants. Also, has anyone else noticed that Autonomy's shardworlds (Taldain and First of the Sun) are the only systems with bright blue stars on the constellaion map? 1
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