LopentheHerdazian Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 The unmade clearly were once something different likely of honor or cultivation. My theory is that they were the dawnshards. My evidence is the abilities of one of the unmade an and the quote of one of the dawnshards. The quote from a poem that jasnah finds while researching in the palinaeum about the dawnshards states roughly it can bind any creature voidish or not. This sounds similar to the unmade that can bind the chosen and allow them to manipulate the surges. However it could just also be that the dawnshard is a reflection of the surge of connection uses by the bondsmith. Also the fact that there are nine unmade indicates that they originate in braize. This is my best guess.
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Zapata Posted October 1, 2019 Posted October 1, 2019 16 hours ago, LopentheHerdazian said: Also the fact that there are nine unmade indicates that they originate in braize. This is my best guess. To be unmade, they would've had to have been made first. Quote Curtis Could you write something about Dawnshards that we don't/won't know? Brandon One Dawnshard is different from all the rest. Words of Radiance release party (March 3, 2014) There could be one Dawnshard that was not Unmade. I think all the Dawnshards were spren that granted massive surge powers to who they were bonded to. Odium changed them somehow, but only changed nine out of ten. My theory is that Cusicesh the Protector is the last Dawnshard. 1
LopentheHerdazian Posted October 1, 2019 Author Posted October 1, 2019 I see, they were probably 10 dawnshards 9 of them were then unmade by odium or some other force. As you said, I think the dawnshards were massive spren of surges. Then they were unmade and now they're in the current forms. The only evidence that could disprove this would be that the midnight mother claimed to be human once.
LopentheHerdazian Posted October 1, 2019 Author Posted October 1, 2019 Also I doubt that cusicech is a dawnshard. I think that the storm that protects aimia is the final dawnshard.
Zapata Posted October 1, 2019 Posted October 1, 2019 56 minutes ago, LopentheHerdazian said: Also I doubt that cusicech is a dawnshard. I think that the storm that protects aimia is the final dawnshard. Like a weird Stormfather? So does that mean you subscribe to the theory that Cusicesh is Dai-Gonarthis?
+robardin he/him Posted October 1, 2019 Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, LopentheHerdazian said: I see, they were probably 10 dawnshards 9 of them were then unmade by odium or some other force. As you said, I think the dawnshards were massive spren of surges. Then they were unmade and now they're in the current forms. The only evidence that could disprove this would be that the midnight mother claimed to be human once. So this crossed my mind yesterday, and for some reason I shared it in another thread about Nightblood. What do you think about this angle? Quote I had a sudden thought the other day that "hey, maybe the Oathgates are the Dawnshards, like they turned them into the Oathgates in a swords-to-plowshares like maneuver or something, and the bit where one of them is different from the others references the Urithiru Central one!" That would fit in with the Oathgates needing some kind of link to Honor to work properly, and Honor foreseeing that him being gone would put the Radiants at risk of having "unchecked" power and some kind of ability to destroy Roshar with the Dawnshards as they had done to Ashyn (the suppressed Dawnshard nature of them would be free to come to the surface). And the Recreance was specifically an action taken by that generation of Knights Radiant with the knowledge that Honor was dying and would be unable to keep a lid on them. But it's complete and wild speculation, a crackpot theory with no support in the material. Yet. 2
Quantus he/him Posted October 1, 2019 Posted October 1, 2019 Relevant new WOB: Quote Punzi (paraphrased) Have we seen a Dawnshard in any Cosmere book? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes and no. *hands RAFO card* DragonCon 2019 (Aug. 30, 2019)
Zapata Posted October 1, 2019 Posted October 1, 2019 So, this means that we've seen something related to them, or the effects, or a modified one (unmade?). Anywhere Honor, Cultivation, or Odium (probably Honor, but covering all my bases) had influence at some point could be where we saw the Dawnshard.
LopentheHerdazian Posted October 2, 2019 Author Posted October 2, 2019 I haven't seen that theory about cusicech But I'm not sure if dai gonarthis had been staying in one place for so long. We have seen that jezrien encountered that black fisher in kholinar and that it had something to do with the scouring.
Aon Tia she/her Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 That would also mean that the unmakes are also of the ashyn. They came to Roshar either with humans or later? stormfather says that dawnshards broke ashyn
LopentheHerdazian Posted October 2, 2019 Author Posted October 2, 2019 Yes we'll that is logical as odium is also of ashyn
Aon Tia she/her Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 Well then what is dyssian aimian are hiding in aimia? Is it the tenth dawnshard? The one that is not unmade? And is it why daigonarthis caused the aimian scouring ?
Zapata Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, The traveller said: Well then what is dyssian aimian are hiding in aimia? Is it the tenth dawnshard? The one that is not unmade? And is it why daigonarthis caused the aimian scouring ? We don't even know Dai-gonarthis did cause the Scouring of Aimia. All we have is an in-world source that says he might have been involved with it. But Hessi doesn't even know if Dai-gonarthis is an Unmade.
Quantus he/him Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, The traveller said: Well then what is dyssian aimian are hiding in aimia? Is it the tenth dawnshard? The one that is not unmade? And is it why daigonarthis caused the aimian scouring ? I have a barely supported but rather fun theory on the scouring: We know that in spren in shadesmare rely heavily on Mandra's to pull ships for trade and commerce, and we know that greatshells and other rosharan creatures rely on mandras to be able to survive to the great sizes they do without being crushed under their own weight. We also know that, for reasons the spren have not figured out, the mandra's do not survive away from human population centers for long. Scouring the human population from amia would have both caused a sort of embargo on the spren city that is likely to exist opposite an Oathgate city, and also would have collapsed the Greatshell ecosystem that Amia was/is famous for. Either or both of those could have been attractive goals for Odium's forces, separate for anything particular gained or feared from the Aimian kingdom.
LopentheHerdazian Posted October 2, 2019 Author Posted October 2, 2019 First it's unlikely that there is a spren city opposite akinah as it's a sea on the other side. Besides, the spren don't like living where there are dense populations of humans because of the fact that there are loads of floating lights around. Also the emotions cause predators such as anger spren to come.
Aon Tia she/her Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 4 hours ago, Bearer of Agonies said: We don't even know Dai-gonarthis did cause the Scouring of Aimia. All we have is an in-world source that says he might have been involved with it. But Hessi doesn't even know if Dai-gonarthis is an Unmade. It is just fun speculation basing on the assumption that hessi is in point about aimia. So far she has proven to be fairly accurate in her study about unmades
Quantus he/him Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 50 minutes ago, LopentheHerdazian said: First it's unlikely that there is a spren city opposite akinah as it's a sea on the other side. Besides, the spren don't like living where there are dense populations of humans because of the fact that there are loads of floating lights around. Also the emotions cause predators such as anger spren to come. Aimia as a whole was notorious for having a huge network of underground caves, which one of the ancient Willshapers was working to map out. That would make landmass above the bead sea, whcih I imagine would appear as sort of impressive-looking sprawling lattice landmass. And while they may not enjoy the Lights, we've been told that their primary means of travel and commerce will "waste away and die" if taken away from a human population center, so Im sure they'd learn to deal with the annoyance.
Solant he/him Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 Ok, so I'm going to spitball an idea regarding this before I forget it. I just came up with it while reading this thread, so forgive any obvious flaws I might be missing. It's very late and I am tired. So, what if the honor blades were the dawnshards before they had their spren corrupted and turned into the unmade? We know that the nahel bond mimics the honor blades. This could actually be more literal than we think. The armor and blades left behind by the previous KR are called shards, which feels like an odd name for them. If "dawn" in this context is simply referring to the beginning, then the dawn shards would be the original shards. The line about the DS being able to "bind any creature, voidish or mortal", could mean the blades used by the heralds were the tools used to craft the oath pact itself. It sure sounds like something that weapons given by Honor would be capable of doing. Paraphrased "one dawn shard is not like the rest", because that one would be Taln's. If the corruption of the honor blades spren happened after the corresponding Herald was broken on Braize, then it's entirely possible that this process hasn't happened to his, yet. "Have we seen dawn shards on screen? Yes/no". This could be referring to the first chapter in way of kings , or just the fact that we have seen honor blades, but after they were depowered. This theory also explains why we have 9 unmade, many of which who seem like they may correspond to a specific KR order. The coppermind article says that this isn't true, based on a line from Shallan in WoK, but it's entirely possible that she's just ill informed I'm sure there's more, but I'm tired and this is too many words. If I'm wrong, shoot me down. 2
ScavellTane Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) Well, this theory I like. Quite similar with mine where the various aspects of the Nahel Bond were divided at the Recreance. Edited October 3, 2019 by ScavellTane
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