Ethan_sedai he/him Posted June 27, 2019 Report Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) Ok, so I’m not sure if this has been asked before, but what happened to frost crystallizing around people when they use a bunch of Surgebinding? It happened a lot during The Way of Kings, but it no longer seems to happen during Words of Radiance. Is this change explained somewhere? Edited June 28, 2019 by Ethan_Sedai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger he/him Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, Ethan_Sedai said: Ok, so I’m not sure if this has been asked before, but what happened to frost crystallizing around people when they use a bunch of Surgebinding? It happened a lot during The Way of Kings, but it no longer seems to happen during Words of Radiance. Is this change explained somewhere? The frost crystallization is a "level up" for windrunners. Additionally it seems to be a side effect of the adhesion surge(from what I remember)which Kaladin does not use much during WoR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan_sedai he/him Posted June 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Karger said: The frost crystallization is a "level up" for windrunners. Additionally it seems to be a side effect of the adhesion surge(from what I remember)which Kaladin does not use much during WoR. I suppose that makes sense. Now that I think about it, it actually might be a thing like “the frost crystallization happens when you level up” but since Kaladin hadn’t said the first Ideal yet, he was probably just “kind of” leveling it up, just like summoning a dead Shardblade “kind of” brings it back to life. Did that make sense? I’m not sure that I understood what I said either. Edited June 28, 2019 by Ethan_Sedai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger he/him Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 50 minutes ago, Ethan_Sedai said: Did that make sense? I’m not sure that I understood what I said either. Thumbs up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renen Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 But wait... didnt we have frost appear on Szeth too? When he held the honor blade? So perhaps its instead in both of those cases they were using one of the surges (maybe not even specifically adhesion) on an object and the frost was like... not all investiture fitting into it and some is left on the outside as a residue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 Brandon has RAFO'd the question, saying he'll get around to it eventually. It's possible that it involves the unusual thermodynamic properties of Investiture, where there's a fourth law that Brandon doesn't want to talk about yet. We know for example that there are reactions in allomancy where energy that should be present goes 'somewhere' and it's going to play a role in future books. Something similar could be at work and it's seen around Windrunners because of the nature of their powers. I only remember seeing it around Kaladin (and later the Lopen) when he swears a new ideal and it's affecting Szeth during normal surgebinding for... some reason. I can't remember, does it not happen at all in WoR? Because if it does happen in both books, it's probably related somehow to the 'dangerous amounts of stormlight' thing and the relatively shallow bond the Honorblades have. There's also the condensation that appears on deadeye Shardblades when they form and it's probably the result of Investiture transferring between Realms and going from that state to matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) So I don't know if this was ever outright confirmed, but I thought it was due to Kaladin being a windrunner and other orders of knights "level up" and their powers manifest differently. Szeth was using the windrunner blade at the time and that Word of Brandon takes place prior to Oathbringer. I would need to pull it up, but when Szeth levels up as a skybreaker, he does not do the frost thing. Kaladin last did the frost thing when he hit the third oath in the palace in defense of Elhokar. He didn't level up in oathbringer which is why I feel we haven't seen it again. Might take me a bit to find the two scenes Szeth levels up in (once when being trained, and once at the battle of thaylenah) edit: checked both scenes briefly and couldn't find the description. I could have sworn there was a scene where pedals seemed to fall from the sky around Szeth when he swore an ideal, but I guess I am confusing it with something. I will re-read the scenes with Szeth closer to see if I notice something. Edited June 28, 2019 by Pathfinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironeyes he/him Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) [Weltal quote that my iPad ate] We know for example that there are reactions in allomancy where energy that should be present goes 'somewhere' and it's going to play a role in future books. [/quote] The question to me is whether the amount of power “requested” by the end-result magic takes this into account. If it doesn’t, and the magic finds itself a little short on energy, then it would make perfect sense that it would draw on the nearest available source, which is nearly always heat. It’s just like an endothermic chemical reaction. Exactly where the energy goes missing matters, since the later it happens, the more plausible my explanation. Edited June 29, 2019 by Ironeyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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