Taln regains his lucidity/sanity for a moment because of Dalinar

[+Quazzi he/him]

8 hours ago, Karger said:

Yes but if no one believes then everyone is going to act like Dalinar is insane or potentially blasphemous.

I agree this would just confirm even more what people believe about Dalinar going crazy but given that Taln is the real deal he could be a huge help and eventually once people start to realize the things they are saying start to happen it would eventually convince people. Even if people don’t believe Dalinar about Taln he would be a tremendous ally with his knowledge alone. 

[garlick]

On 5/31/2019 at 10:26 AM, Pathfinder said:

Thank you! This causes me to believe my theory regarding Dalinar helping Adolin restore Maya is even more likely, though I acknowledge the connection between what happened with Maya and Taln is tenuous. Great WoB!

Ive never made this connection but I like it. Makes alot of sense with the timing. Can't wait to see if this is something andolin can replicate or if it was a one time thing. Kind of how afterwards taln went back to his mantra again. I feel like whats happening with taln is similar to the Elantris people during the shoad.? Been a while since I've read that. Feel like it has to do with bondsmith powers and connection. In this instance while Dalinar was "ascended" it was an unconscious use. Maybe a more direct hand could make these connection stronger. But Andolin and Maya have a deeper connection already without that even Dalinar couldn't strengthen the bond.

[Karger he/him]

On 5/31/2019 at 7:52 PM, Calderis said:

I disagree based on timing, for the most part (and the lack of lightweaver powers as a whole for Ash since she doesn't have her Honorblade). 

Well we now know that it was Dalinar but the point is that it is still good to have proof.

[Rainier]

Tied to Dalinar's powers, pun intended I hope. Tied with connection, of course. Taln was connected, somehow, through the realms, to his cognitive or spiritual self, which suppresses the damage of eons of torture.

[Pathfinder]

On 5/31/2019 at 5:56 PM, Karger said:

We don't actually know if Dalinar can replicate that perpendicularity.  Kaladin says that you get an outpouring of strength when you swear an ideal.  It may be impracticable for Dalinar to access that kind of power on a regular basis.

 

On 5/31/2019 at 6:01 PM, Calderis said:

This was my point, yeah. 

I'm not, "not wanting to discuss it" @Pathfinder, I'm just questioning if this is nearly as groundbreaking as people are implying.

I don't see how it couldn't have been related to Dalinar in the first place. That doesn't mean it can be replicated feasibly. 

So my response will cover the both of you so I will do it in one go. First of all, we know the stormlight recharging portion of least can be replicated because Dalinar does exactly that for Kaladin so he can search for the surviving bridgemen. It specifically mentions that Dalinar did it again, just that it is very draining. Second, we have a WoB regarding Dalinar's powers I have included below (I know the full situation of the WoB, and will cover that after the WoB, so please read the rest before responding to my mention of this particular WoB)

 

Questioner

Dalinar Ascends, right? Like, right then, there.

Brandon Sanderson

I have RAFO'd that. Whether he is Ascending or not is a RAFO.

Questioner

Okay, because I know he kind of mentions from that, I don't know how to say his name but the older guy who has the Diagram--

Brandon Sanderson

Taravangian, yeah. Whether that deserves to be a capital "A" or not is a matter of argument. It can be disputed.

Questioner

I guess my main question would just be Dalinar's now able to pull Stormlight and give it to people now.

Brandon Sanderson

He definitely can. That is a Bondsmith power, so.

Questioner

That is a Bondsmith power, okay.

Brandon Sanderson

That is specifically a Bondsmith power.

Questioner

Because my roommate was saying well, the Stormfather was surprised he could do that or was the Stormfather surprised that he was able to bridge--

Brandon Sanderson

He was surprised by what was happening to Dalinar as a whole.

Questioner

Oh okay, that's what I thought because I was like, because I felt like the Stormlight, that power would be a Bondsmith power.

Brandon Sanderson

Let's say that the Stormfather and Odium were seeing something in Dalinar that, perhaps, the average person watching even who is knowledgeable about Surges would not completely understand... But he will be able to use that power and Bondsmiths in the past have used that same power.

 

Now Brandon later said he may have been misleading regarding Dalinar's powers. The implication potentially being whether or not the uniting of the three realms/perpendicularity/recharging stormlight is a bondsmith power or a function of Dalinar being bonded with the stormfather that is currently bonded with the cognitive shadow of Tanavast. That is why to me this WoB is great. It is confirming that what happened to Taln is directly related to Dalinar's powers. So it doesn't matter whether or not it comes from being a bondsmith, or being linked up to a shard's cognitive shadow, either way it is a power Dalinar can use. We do not know however that it is due to the perpendicularity. We know perpendicularities are large amounts of investiture that result in the three realms being pierced. We know a by product of that piercing is being able to travel between realms. Just like you do not have to be a shard, or have a shard pool to create a perpendicularity (elsecallers can make mini ones to travel, and perpendicularities can be created without the intention of traveling), so too for all we know something unrelated to the perpendicularity but occurred when the realms were united resulted in Taln becoming lucid. For all we know when Dalinar used his powers to unite the realms, he had an area of effect that resulted in "united" everything in the area that had been "divided". Thereby Taln was lucid, but not because of the perpendicularity. Or it could be directly because of the perpendicularity. We at this stage do not know for sure. What we now know for sure is Dalinar is the source of it, and it is his powers/presence (as per the WoB) that did it. That says to me it can be done again, and that to me is important. If it feels self evident to you Calderis, then I respect that, but it doesn't change that I think it is an important thing to define and get a concrete answer on like we got, which is why I thought it would have fostered more discussion. Now understanding why I made the statement I did, I will continue to discuss the subject. 

 

 

On 6/1/2019 at 4:55 PM, garlick said:

Ive never made this connection but I like it. Makes alot of sense with the timing. Can't wait to see if this is something andolin can replicate or if it was a one time thing. Kind of how afterwards taln went back to his mantra again. I feel like whats happening with taln is similar to the Elantris people during the shoad.? Been a while since I've read that. Feel like it has to do with bondsmith powers and connection. In this instance while Dalinar was "ascended" it was an unconscious use. Maybe a more direct hand could make these connection stronger. But Andolin and Maya have a deeper connection already without that even Dalinar couldn't strengthen the bond.

Thank you! I feel it would allow Dalinar and Adolin to bond and work through their issues. Adolin could still work towards teaching others to help awaken their blades, and it would also give the spren a reason to ally with the new incarnation of radiants under Dalinar as he can help with the final step of bringing them back. I think Adolin and Maya are as connected as they can be, but what was torn out of Maya I think still needs to be fixed before a true nahel bond could form. Since spren are made of investiture, and stormlight brings them "back to life" to a small degree when first placing an infused gemstone in the hilt to help form the "faux" bond, I think a large dose of investiture that only a bondsmith could provide, would bridge the final gap in restoration. 

Edited June 3, 2019 by Pathfinder

[Karger he/him]

22 minutes ago, Pathfinder said:

Dalinar does exactly that for Kaladin so he can search for the surviving bridgemen. It specifically mentions that Dalinar did it again, just that it is very draining. Second, we have a WoB regarding Dalinar's powers I have included below (I know the full situation of the WoB, and will cover that after the WoB, so please read the rest before responding to my mention of this particular WoB)

I believe we have confirmation that Dalinar's overcharging of Kaladin is actually a different power.  He is not opening the perpendicularity in that case.

[Pathfinder]

4 minutes ago, Karger said:

I believe we have confirmation that Dalinar's overcharging of Kaladin is actually a different power.  He is not opening the perpendicularity in that case.

Which is why this WoB to me is important. Brandon confirmed it was Dalinar's powers/presence that did it to Taln. So whether it is the perpendicularity or not, we know it is a power Dalinar can use. To me if it was a one off ability that happened because Dalinar leveled up, or for "reasons", then Brandon wouldn't confirm that it is a power of Dalinar's. Maybe I am over reading into it, but that is how I interpret it at least. 

[Karger he/him]

Just now, Pathfinder said:

Which is why this WoB to me is important. Brandon confirmed it was Dalinar's powers/presence that did it to Taln. So whether it is the perpendicularity or not, we know it is a power Dalinar can use. To me if it was a one off ability that happened because Dalinar leveled up, or for "reasons", then Brandon wouldn't confirm that it is a power of Dalinar's. Maybe I am over reading into it, but that is how I interpret it at least. 

It is a bit of a stretch but I think it is a stretch in the right direction.

[Wintersu]

28 minutes ago, Pathfinder said:

Which is why this WoB to me is important. Brandon confirmed it was Dalinar's powers/presence that did it to Taln. So whether it is the perpendicularity or not, we know it is a power Dalinar can use. To me if it was a one off ability that happened because Dalinar leveled up, or for "reasons", then Brandon wouldn't confirm that it is a power of Dalinar's. Maybe I am over reading into it, but that is how I interpret it at least. 

Agreed, so far as the exact quote is that it’s ‘tied’ to Dalinar. Despite the fact that we’ve had the Bondsmith book already, we know very little about what they can do. And the more we learn, the cooler it is. I suspect we’ll get another big dose about Bondsmiths in book 5, but that’s a ways off 

[Pathfinder]

39 minutes ago, Wintersu said:

Agreed, so far as the exact quote is that it’s ‘tied’ to Dalinar. Despite the fact that we’ve had the Bondsmith book already, we know very little about what they can do. And the more we learn, the cooler it is. I suspect we’ll get another big dose about Bondsmiths in book 5, but that’s a ways off 

Brandon has said Dalinar would come back to the same level of presence in prior books in book 5 after he steps back in book 4, so I agree. Potentially it could even be the result of a second bondsmith popping up to show more of what bondsmiths can do. I have no information whatsoever to back that up (the part about a second bondsmith), but it would be pretty cool to me for it to play out that way. 

[Wintersu]

43 minutes ago, Pathfinder said:

Brandon has said Dalinar would come back to the same level of presence in prior books in book 5 after he steps back in book 4, so I agree. Potentially it could even be the result of a second bondsmith popping up to show more of what bondsmiths can do. I have no information whatsoever to back that up (the part about a second bondsmith), but it would be pretty cool to me for it to play out that way. 

Actually, I’ve been thinking there will be a second Bondsmith in book 5 as well.

I like the (rather tinfoilly) theory that Rock or Rlain could be a Bondsmith. Just cause it would be cool, as opposed to anything else 

Mostly, I’d like to see Singers become part of all the Orders. To me that is achieving Unity

[Pathfinder]

4 hours ago, Wintersu said:

Actually, I’ve been thinking there will be a second Bondsmith in book 5 as well.

I like the (rather tinfoilly) theory that Rock or Rlain could be a Bondsmith. Just cause it would be cool, as opposed to anything else 

Mostly, I’d like to see Singers become part of all the Orders. To me that is achieving Unity

Having Rlain as a bondsmith, trying to unite his people with the humans instead of divide would be an interesting plot development for him. I could see Venli teaching other singers how to bond radiant spren, so more singers going radiant I could totally see happening. 

[CrazyRioter she/her]

1 hour ago, Pathfinder said:

Having Rlain as a bondsmith, trying to unite his people with the humans instead of divide would be an interesting plot development for him. I could see Venli teaching other singers how to bond radiant spren, so more singers going radiant I could totally see happening. 

I'm one of the major proponents of Rlain for Bondsmith.

And definitely want to see more singer Radiants in general. I bet Venli will have singer squires eventually.

[+Invocation]

4 hours ago, Pathfinder said:

Having Rlain as a bondsmith, trying to unite his people with the humans instead of divide would be an interesting plot development for him. I could see Venli teaching other singers how to bond radiant spren, so more singers going radiant I could totally see happening. 

I would also enjoy Rlain as Bondsmith, probably with the Sibling due to similar "outsidership" between the two.

[Lidolas he/him]

15 hours ago, Invocation said:

I would also enjoy Rlain as Bondsmith, probably with the Sibling due to similar "outsidership" between the two.

Count me in on the Rlain as Bondsmith wagon!  He seems perfectly placed to do some uniting.