Scadrial Shardplate

[1AdolfoJose1]

Using F-Iron and A-Pewter medallions instead of gemstones, could it be possible to create a Scadrial equivalent to shardplate? With the limited knowledge we have about Allomantic technology, the medallions and the cube, it seems theoretically possible.

[RShara she/her]

The medallions need a person using them. They don't function just on their own or attached to armor.

That being said, anything with a lot of investiture in it would function to help block the magical cutting effects of a Shardblade. So making armor out of a metalmind or spike should make it resistant to a Shardblade, to a degree. It seems like a difficult and expensive prospect, though. It'd be simpler, if you have F-iron and A-pewter, to just avoid the Shardblade.

[1AdolfoJose1]

4 minutes ago, RShara said:

The medallions need a person using them. They don't function just on their own or attached to armor.

The cube doesn’t, you need someone to power it but it emits the power on its own. You can create a suit using the same material as the cube and it should work. 

We can use the medallions to hold power and the suits to use them. Allegedly. We still don’t know a lot about this type of technology, hopefully we can get answers from the next book. 

[RShara she/her]

1 minute ago, 1AdolfoJose1 said:

The cube doesn’t, you need someone to power it but it emits the power on its own. You can create a suit using the same material as the cube and it should work. 

We can use the medallions to hold power and the suits to use them. Allegedly. We still don’t know a lot about this type of technology, hopefully we can get answers from the next book. 

It's not the cube that emits power, it's the ettmetal inside. The cube is just a device to harness the power, like the housing of a fabrial. The metal of the cube housing isn't anything particularly useful.

[1AdolfoJose1]

1 minute ago, RShara said:

It's not the cube that emits power, it's the ettmetal inside. The cube is just a device to harness the power, like the housing of a fabrial. The metal of the cube housing isn't anything particularly useful.

My point still stands. We use Ettmetal to power the Shardplate. 

[RShara she/her]

Okay, but how does that make it resistant to a Shardblade? It's not actually Invested. F-iron makes a person lighter or heavier, A-pewter makes a person stronger. The cube grants people the ability it's been charged with. It doesn't imbue itself with that power. It's not more dense or stronger just because it's been charged with F-iron or A-pewter.

[1AdolfoJose1]

It doesn’t have to be, this is Scadrial not Roshar. Shardblades are a non-issue for now. 

[RShara she/her]

4 minutes ago, 1AdolfoJose1 said:

It doesn’t have to be, this is Scadrial not Roshar. Shardblades are a non-issue for now. 

Okay. My point remains. The cube imbues people with power, it doesn't retain any of it itself.

[Kramerfarve]

57 minutes ago, 1AdolfoJose1 said:

It doesn’t have to be, this is Scadrial not Roshar. Shardblades are a non-issue for now. 

Then what exactly is the point in having shardplate? The greatest aspect of the thing you are theorizing is that it blocks shardblades. If blades are a “non-issue” then what’s left is just increased strength and agility, which you just get from pewter.

[1AdolfoJose1]

1 minute ago, Kramerfarve said:

Then what exactly is the point in having shardplate? The greatest aspect of the thing you are theorizing is that it blocks shardblades. If blades are a “non-issue” then what’s left is just increased strength and agility, which you just get from pewter.

If you’re already a Thug sure, but this is for people who don’t have access to pewter. 

[Inky]

Just... make pewter medallions?

[SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword]

1 hour ago, RShara said:

Okay. My point remains. The cube imbues people with power, it doesn't retain any of it itself.

Sorry to be nit picky. The cube technically emanates the power that it absorbs from people (omnidirectional steel push from Wax, speed bubble from Mara, AOE leech from what's his face). We've only seen it with Allomantic powers that don't enhance people, so we don't know what it would do with Feruchemy or Allomantic pewter and tin.

 

1 hour ago, RShara said:

Okay, but how does that make it resistant to a Shardblade? It's not actually Invested. F-iron makes a person lighter or heavier, A-pewter makes a person stronger. The cube grants people the ability it's been charged with. It doesn't imbue itself with that power. It's not more dense or stronger just because it's been charged with F-iron or A-pewter.

Are you talking about the armor or the Ettmetal? I agree that mundane armor would not be invested by placing it near Ettmetal, but I assume that Ettmetal is Invested. I would venture to guess that it is in fact Investiture from one of the Shards on Scadrial. Which one I can't be sure, but my guess would be Harmony.

 

All of that aside, I don't think that Shardplate can or will become a part of Scadrian magic. It does not fit the theme, and there does not appear to be a viable way to create it with what we have seen so far.

P.S. If you made armor out of Ettmetal you would really want to be extra careful. Spilled your drink in your lap? Guess we can say goodbye to that city.

[RShara she/her]

18 minutes ago, SwordNimiForPresident said:

Sorry to be nit picky. The cube technically emanates the power that it absorbs from people (omnidirectional steel push from Wax, speed bubble from Mara, AOE leech from what's his face). We've only seen it with Allomantic powers that don't enhance people, so we don't know what it would do with Feruchemy or Allomantic pewter and tin.

 

Are you talking about the armor or the Ettmetal? I agree that mundane armor would not be invested by placing it near Ettmetal, but I assume that Ettmetal is Invested. I would venture to guess that it is in fact Investiture from one of the Shards on Scadrial. Which one I can't be sure, but my guess would be Harmony.

 

All of that aside, I don't think that Shardplate can or will become a part of Scadrian magic. It does not fit the theme, and there does not appear to be a viable way to create it with what we have seen so far.

P.S. If you made armor out of Ettmetal you would really want to be extra careful. Spilled your drink in your lap? Guess we can say goodbye to that city.

I'm talking about the metal of the cube, not the ettmetal. Or the metal of the suit of armor. Obviously ettmetal is invested. It's Harmonium, and that's been confirmed.

The cube emanates the power, yes, but it doesn't imbue itself with the power. As in, the cube itself is not strengthened by pewter or made heavier by iron. Given the AoE effect it has, imbuing it with A-pewter or F-pewter would most likely make the people around it stronger, not make the metal of the cube itself stronger.

Edited May 5, 2019 by RShara

[Calderis he/him]

8 minutes ago, RShara said:

The cube emanates the power, yes, but it doesn't imbue itself with the power. As in, the cube itself is not strengthened by pewter or made heavier by iron. Given the AoE effect it has, imbuing it with A-pewter or F-pewter would most likely make the people around it stronger, not make the metal of the cube itself stronger.

I'm actually not sure this is correct. 

The set uses F-iron to get the ship to lower its weight at the ends of BoM, do it seems very possible that it does actually place the power on itself/whatever it is built into. 

[RShara she/her]

20 minutes ago, Calderis said:

I'm actually not sure this is correct. 

The set uses F-iron to get the ship to lower its weight at the ends of BoM, do it seems very possible that it does actually place the power on itself/whatever it is built into. 

I'm not able to find this reference, do you remember where it is? I distinctly remember that the smaller airship was noted as only having to power its own weight.

NVM I just found it. There's weight-changing machinery that can be primed with Feruchemy. But it still sounds much more complicated than what could be made into a suit of armor. And it sounds like what I said it would be--A-pewter would make people around it stronger. F-iron might allow weight increase or reduction in a radius. I don't think it affects the metal of the primer itself.

Edited May 5, 2019 by RShara

[Karger he/him]

You could do some cool stuff with Etmetal tech that might give personal enhancement similar to shardplate.  If you can get it directional how about a push or pull powered set of greaves that enhance jumping and running by increasing the speed at which your legs move?  Just add something similar to your upper body for protection and enhanced arm strength and you have something similar to shardplate.

[Calderis he/him]

I feel like ettmetal powered scadrian "shardplate" is going to be something much more akin to iron man armor than shardplate. 

[garlick]

What metal stores ivestiture? Would it be possible to make armor of that metal or even plated and just fill to the brim? Sounds much simpler.

[RShara she/her]

23 minutes ago, garlick said:

What metal stores ivestiture? Would it be possible to make armor of that metal or even plated and just fill to the brim? Sounds much simpler.

Nicrosil, and that would be simpler, yeah. I'm not sure on its hardness, though.

[Karger he/him]

On 5/5/2019 at 7:53 PM, Calderis said:

I feel like ettmetal powered scadrian "shardplate" is going to be something much more akin to iron man armor than shardplate. 

What do you think Shardplate is?  Regardless I think scadrian "shardplate" is going to be pretty dam cool.

[Calderis he/him]

50 minutes ago, Karger said:

What do you think Shardplate is?  Regardless I think scadrian "shardplate" is going to be pretty dam cool.

A fairly basic strength enhancing exosuit. Protection and strength are it. 

Iron man's suits offer that sure, but the focus is as much or more on the other abilities it grants. 

[Scion of the Mists]

On 5/5/2019 at 11:31 PM, garlick said:

What metal stores ivestiture? Would it be possible to make armor of that metal or even plated and just fill to the brim? Sounds much simpler.

As @RShara said, Nicrosil is the metal that stores Investiture.  However, any metalmind will become Invested when you store Feruchemical attibutes in them, so you could choose a metal that has better physical properties than Nicrosil.  

[Karger he/him]

On 5/9/2019 at 10:01 AM, Scion of the Mists said:

On 5/5/2019 at 11:31 PM, garlick said:

 

As @RShara said, Nicrosil is the metal that stores Investiture.  However, any metalmind will become Invested when you store Feruchemical attibutes in them, so you could choose a metal that has better physical properties than Nicrosil.  

Make it out of Harmonium.  It will supercharge your metallic abilities and probably can block a blade.  (Get some of that stuff from White Sand that makes stuff waterproof obviously.)

[RShara she/her]

34 minutes ago, Karger said:

Make it out of Harmonium.  It will supercharge your metallic abilities and probably can block a blade.  (Get some of that stuff from White Sand that makes stuff waterproof obviously.)

And if you sweat just right, you can turn into a bomb!

[Karger he/him]

Just now, RShara said:

And if you sweat just right, you can turn into a bomb!

I was hoping they would coat the inside too.

Edited May 10, 2019 by Karger