Healing from the Nightwatcher

[Awaken Returner she/her]

Can Stormlight, or any form of Investiture for that matter, 'heal' you from the effects of a Nightwatcher-given bane?

Let's say the Nightwatcher's curse inverts your sight, will you be able to use Stormlight to revert your vision back into what you perceive to be their usual state? What if she takes your arm away, could you likewise regrow it or will the Nightwatcher's curse somehow resist its healing?

If it can, then how feasible is it to break the curse through sheer Investiture? How much of the Nightwatcher's influence, if at all is left to any given recipient of her blessings? Will a compounding bloodmaker be able to heal from wound cursed to never heal? Can a Soulcaster standing in middle of a Highstorm change a transformation made by the Nightwatcher?

Spoiler

If Lift's curse / blessing was given to her directly by Cultivation

We haven't really seen the interactions between Stormlight and Old Magic boons and banes; a lot of her mechanics are probably very reliant on how heavily invested she is as a splinter I think.

[+Invocation]

I don't think that would be possible to heal from, since I'm pretty sure it gets woven directly into your spiritweb and changes the base for healing immediately. 

[Awaken Returner she/her]

Would an identity medallion help?

On another note, if the Nightwatcher attaches her curses directly to someone's spirit web, would it be possible to use Hemalurgy to steal it?

There are some boons / banes which would be very useful at certain points in time but detrimental in most others; being able to collect Nightwatcher spikes to use at will would give someone the most diverse and bizarre personal magic system in the Cosmere.

if you're able to store Nightwatcher spells inside metal you would be able to technically heal yourself periodically from the Nightwatcher's magic while still being able to reap the benefits of her boons.

Of course, you would have to use Hemalurgy on the original recipient...

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Oh well. the identity medallions were worth a shot.

--- relevant post; should have probably looked this up first

 

Edited April 25, 2019 by Awaken Returner

[Calderis he/him]

8 minutes ago, Awaken Returner said:

Would an identity medallion help?

I doubt it. From everything we've seen, Identity (the Spiritual aspect) is nothing more than a marker on Investiture saying that it is a part of something. It's more of a fingerprint than a blueprint. 

Because of the word Brandon chose to use it's frequently conflated with identity (as we use it normally) to mean what a person thinks and feels and is. 

These are not the same thing. 

Edited April 25, 2019 by Calderis

[+Invocation]

52 minutes ago, Awaken Returner said:

On another note, if the Nightwatcher attaches her curses directly to someone's spirit web, would it be possible to use Hemalurgy to steal it?

I'm pretty sure this would work. You can steal a spren from a Radiant, so there's no reason a boon or bane wouldn't able to be stolen.

[Weltall]

1 hour ago, Awaken Returner said:

Can Stormlight, or any form of Investiture for that matter, 'heal' you from the effects of a Nightwatcher-given bane?

As already noted, no. Just like you can't heal Savantism with normal methods (because as far as the magic is concerned, there's nothing wrong with you) you couldn't 'heal' a curse from the Nightwatcher.

15 minutes ago, Invocation said:

I'm pretty sure this would work. You can steal a spren from a Radiant, so there's no reason a boon or bane wouldn't able to be stolen.

It isn't even a 'this should work' situation, Brandon has confirmed that if you know what you're doing you can steal what the Old Magic gives you with hemalurgy and it's even possible (though much more difficult) to take only a boon or curse. Brandon also said that Cultivation really wouldn't like this and raised the possibility that she could do something to you if/when she found out about it.

[+Invocation]

Just now, Weltall said:

It isn't even a 'this should work' situation, Brandon has confirmed that if you know what you're doing you can steal what the Old Magic gives you with hemalurgy and it's even possible (though much more difficult) to take only a boon or curse. Brandon also said that Cultivation really wouldn't like this and raised the possibility that she could do something to you if/when she found out about it.

Fair enough. Thank you for reminding me I need to get better at searching Arcanum.

[Awaken Returner she/her]

Interesting; now I'm speculating that, if the Nightwatcher's curses work by rewriting your indentity such that standard magic can't find anything to correct, her abilities might actually work very similarly to Soulcasting.

When an object is Soulcast into another essence, while it does remember its past form, as far as it's concerned, its current state is its real state and therefore sustain their current form a long time after the Investiture used to Soulcast them has run out. (unlike basic Awakening or Soul Stamping which both decay)

I'd assume that if someone Soulcast a part of your body into a different material, you wouldn't be able to heal it with Stormlight. While the body part still will recognise that it is a part of you, it will also believe that its natural state is of whatever it was Soulcast into. 

Edited April 25, 2019 by Awaken Returner

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

Shoots, spiking and stealing curses and boons sounds neat. Wonder if you can choose to only steal the boon though, and not the curse, or vice versa? If that is the case, you could boon yourself and curse someone else with two different spikes from the same person.

[+Invocation]

1 hour ago, Toaster Retribution said:

Shoots, spiking and stealing curses and boons sounds neat. Wonder if you can choose to only steal the boon though, and not the curse, or vice versa? If that is the case, you could boon yourself and curse someone else with two different spikes from the same person.

That's in the WOB Weltall linked. You theoretically can, but it's hard and Cultivation might smite you if you seperate the two.

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

55 minutes ago, Invocation said:

That's in the WOB Weltall linked. You theoretically can, but it's hard and Cultivation might smite you if you seperate the two.

I should have read that more carefully...