MrGgreen Posted April 2, 2019 Posted April 2, 2019 Hi, I'm new here. I've been reading alot on these forums and I'll make my first topic here. Please excuse me if I don't use this correctly. Also, english is not my first language, so please ignore my "french-isms". I have read through stormlight and am starting a re-read in french to make sure I don't miss anything. Spoilers for Oathbringer and Cosmere stuff outside Roshar. A thought came to my mind... If I'm not mistaken, it was posted on the wobs that leaving Roshar whilst having a strong nahel bond may be difficult. Correct me if I'm wrong. But if that's the case, considering how Hoid is bound by some ~magical~ restriction to be unable to hurt other living beings, did he manage to restrict himself from leaving Roshar by bonding the spren? Or does his restriction only apply to physical entities, and not spren (thinking about Kelsier...)? He might find a trick to leave but still, it makes me wonder if the trickster cornered himself unknowingly... since severing his bond might hurt and or kill the spren. What do you guys think? 5
Weltall Posted April 2, 2019 Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) Welcome to the Shard! It's difficult for any Splinter or Cognitive Shadow to leave the system where the Investiture that makes them up is rooted, and this means that someone who's bonded to any of that Investiture faces a similar issue. By bonding a Cryptic, Hoid has made himself subject to that issue as well. As Calderis says, Hoid himself isn't bound but his spren is bound and that will make it hard for Hoid to leave. However, it's not an absolute restriction and there is a trick that can be learned which makes it possible to get that kind of Investiture away from the world it's bound to. We know of several people who've worked out the trick (WoB contains a Warbreaker spoiler if you're not familiar with its connections to Stormlight Archive) and Hoid almost certainly either already knows it or will be able to figure it out fairly easily. And yeah, we've seen Hoid off Roshar within a few years of the events of Oathbringer so he's definitely not bound. Edited April 2, 2019 by Weltall
Calderis he/him Posted April 2, 2019 Posted April 2, 2019 Nah, we know because of time lines, that's he's been able to get off world in other series after this point. Bonding the spren should not have bound him to Roshar... The problem is that the spren is bound. He will need a work around to get the Cryptic to be able to leave with him, and we don't know if he knows how or has done that. 1
MrGgreen Posted April 2, 2019 Author Posted April 2, 2019 Thanks for your answers! I'm not on point with my cosmere timeline, which novel contains Hoid's appearance and is set after Oathbringer? I suppose Bands of mourning, any other one perhaps?
Calderis he/him Posted April 2, 2019 Posted April 2, 2019 Spoiler Era 2 of Mistborn takes place (roughly) at a point ranging from the gap between the front and back halves of stormlight, to as far forward as stormlight 7. Brandon hasn't nailed it down as those stormlight books aren't written yet.
+Invocation Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 If anyone could easily sidestep the binding of a Cognitive Shadow, it would be Hoid.
Karger he/him Posted April 4, 2019 Posted April 4, 2019 On 4/2/2019 at 8:33 PM, Invocation said: If anyone could easily sidestep the binding of a Cognitive Shadow, it would be Hoid. We also do not know how he became a CS. Also perhaps the different investatures he is holding allow him to move more easily.
RShara she/her Posted April 4, 2019 Posted April 4, 2019 On 4/2/2019 at 6:33 PM, Invocation said: If anyone could easily sidestep the binding of a Cognitive Shadow, it would be Hoid. 7 minutes ago, Karger said: We also do not know how he became a CS. Also perhaps the different investatures he is holding allow him to move more easily. Wait, Hoid isn't a Cognitive Shadow. Or am I misreading?
Karger he/him Posted April 4, 2019 Posted April 4, 2019 Just now, RShara said: Wait, Hoid isn't a Cognitive Shadow. Or am I misreading? We don't actually know what Hoid is so I was working of of what I assumed was the implicit assumption in this thread's discussion ie Hoid is a CS.
RShara she/her Posted April 4, 2019 Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) No, the reason he might have been bound to Roshar was because he bonded the Cryptic, which is bound to Roshar. We have no evidence that Hoid has died and become a Cognitive Shadow. However, given that SH spoilers Spoiler Hoid didn't know he could harm a CS, and he needed a "boat" I find it very unlikely. Edited April 4, 2019 by RShara 1
+Invocation Posted April 4, 2019 Posted April 4, 2019 57 minutes ago, RShara said: On 4/2/2019 at 7:33 PM, Invocation said: If anyone could easily sidestep the binding of a Cognitive Shadow, it would be Hoid. That is my bad, I meant to type Spren there.
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