Karger he/him Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) The nights radiant surges seem to have 3 aspects. The physical which create observable phenomena like a lashing, the cognitive like Shallan's art, and the spiritual like Odium's bonds. What do you think are the cognitive, and spiritual effects of the 10 surges. My list of spiritual surges Gravitation: Allows stronger squires Adhesion: Unites of the squad Illumination: Shows truth? Part of the spiritual realm? Transformation: Forces others to acknowledge your argumetns Regrowth: Spiritual healing Abrasion: Makes sparks( bursts of connection) Edited March 22, 2019 by Karger
Inky Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) Spiritual Adhesion is what Dalinar did in Oathbringer when he bridged the Realms, and spoke Azish without having studied it Edited March 23, 2019 by Inky
+Invocation Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 Like Inky said, Spiritual Adhesion was a large part of the things Dalinar did in Oathbringer. It appears to allow the user to force Connection to form between things. In one case, it's a multiple tie with Cognitive and Spiritual Realms being heavily Connected to Dalinar's hands, in the other, it's Dalinar Connecting to someone else to be able to communicate with them. There are a lot of potential applications of that.
Calderis he/him Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 And as was brought up in the other thread the Spiritual use of Illumination seems to allow some kind of "farsighted" It's... Honestly something that seems complicated enough I'm not sure how well we can predict.
The Ryshadium Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 I wonder how spiritual adhesion is with the Windrunners. I don't think it will be the same as the Bondsmiths because the things Dalinar does seem to be very Bondmith-like. They wouldn't really fit with the Windrunners. I agree that it's probably too complicated to accurately predict anything, but it would be interesting if Windrunners could use spiritual adhesion to temporarily confine spren or unmade to a certain area or person.
Calderis he/him Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Ryshadium said: wonder how spiritual adhesion is with the Windrunners. I don't think it will be the same as the Bondsmiths because the things Dalinar does seem to be very Bondmith-like. They wouldn't really fit with the Windrunners. Eh, I think that different orders variance in the use of the Surges will be focused more on what realmatic phase they effect. Adhesion should work the same across orders. Even if it varies in scale. We see Dalinar use Adhesion in the same manner as Kaladin multiple times. If Kal can use it Spiritual, it should function the same way because it's the same surge. With Illumination, the Physical manifestation is most definitely illusions, and I think that both Lightweavers and Truthwatchers should be capable of that... But I think the Truthwatchers may have focus more on the Spiritual aspect of it, similar to what shallan did with her drawings... Possibly even combining that to make images of the things they view. But how do you figure out how that works? I think we can get some hints... Like with the Windrunners resonance of "Strength of Squires." use Gravitation and Adhesion Spiritually to draw people in and forge bonds quickly so that you have more Squires. You quickly form relationships with people... Which sounds very similar to the things Dalinar used Adhesion for... But in contrast you have the lightweaver mnemonic device... How do Illumination and Transformation result in a memory trick? And what would Spiritual Cohesion or Division do? Progression seems like it already functions Spiritually in the way that cosmere healing works, you pour Investiture into the Spiritual Aspect and it moves outward from there, effecting change in the Physical... There's so many variables stacked on top of aspects of the magic that we know so little about...
The Ryshadium Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Calderis said: Eh, I think that different orders variance in the use of the Surges will be focused more on what realmatic phase they effect. Adhesion should work the same across orders. Even if it varies in scale. We see Dalinar use Adhesion in the same manner as Kaladin multiple times. If Kal can use it Spiritual, it should function the same way because it's the same surge. With Illumination, the Physical manifestation is most definitely illusions, and I think that both Lightweavers and Truthwatchers should be capable of that... But I think the Truthwatchers may have focus more on the Spiritual aspect of it, similar to what shallan did with her drawings... Possibly even combining that to make images of the things they view. But how do you figure out how that works? I think we can get some hints... Like with the Windrunners resonance of "Strength of Squires." use Gravitation and Adhesion Spiritually to draw people in and forge bonds quickly so that you have more Squires. You quickly form relationships with people... Which sounds very similar to the things Dalinar used Adhesion for... But in contrast you have the lightweaver mnemonic device... How do Illumination and Transformation result in a memory trick? And what would Spiritual Cohesion or Division do? Progression seems like it already functions Spiritually in the way that cosmere healing works, you pour Investiture into the Spiritual Aspect and it moves outward from there, effecting change in the Physical... There's so many variables stacked on top of aspects of the magic that we know so little about... I was thinking about the Windrunner squires and how that could definitely be spiritual adhesion and gravitation, but I discounted that theory because most of the orders had squires. I didn't consider the fact that they tend to have many squires. That makes sense. Regardless, the surges often have multiple applications and when you combine the two, you end up with something more unique. I understand the similarities. I was mostly saying that Windrunners wouldn't do the exact same things. Kaladin is not likely to speak different languages with that surge like Dalinar. Spiritual division sounds like splintering investiture. That would be terrifying....
Calderis he/him Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, The Ryshadium said: Regardless, the surges often have multiple applications and when you combine the two, you end up with something more unique. I understand the similarities. I was mostly saying that Windrunners wouldn't do the exact same things. Kaladin is not likely to speak different languages with that surge like Dalinar. I don't think he can consciousnessly access Adhesion in that manner at all... But if he could I don't see why not. If they can both access the Spiritual aspects of Adhesion, they should both be able tk create that kind of bond. Kaladin would just be barred from anything that requires Tension.
Karger he/him Posted March 24, 2019 Author Posted March 24, 2019 But we have never seen Kaladin do anything spiritual in nature that I am aware of same goes for Jasnah.
Calderis he/him Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, Karger said: But we have never seen Kaladin do anything spiritual in nature that I am aware of same goes for Jasnah. Note that I said this On 3/22/2019 at 7:13 PM, Calderis said: I don't think he can consciousnessly access Adhesion in that manner at all... So I agree. And that's beside the point.
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