Nale Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 In Taln's interlude in WOR, he is undoubtedly not sane. However, some of his thoughts seem to be semi-lucid, and one particular snippet caught my eye: Quote "They were on fire. The walls were on fire. The floor was on fire. Burning and the inside of a cannot where to be and then at all." Taln goes rather quickly here from insane ravings, but grammatically sound, to a sentence that makes little sense. But, it does remind me of the street dialect of Spook, that went on to be High Imperial. I'm not a timeline expert at all, so this could be something more of a common ancestor type thing, but the thought that at his weakest his mind flips to thinking to himself in this way makes me wonder if he doesn't share something with Scadrial.
Ahriman he/him Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 I just looked over that scene, and I noticed that that's the last internal thought for like an entire page, and the only thing that comes after it was raving about how it had been too long. I took it as breaking and giving up on making any kind of sense. I feel like it's more of a breakdown than a coherent thought. It reminds me of when I let my phone write my texts for me. As far as the timeline goes, I don't think this works. Taln was betrayed by the other Heralds 4500 years ago, and I don't think it's clear how long he was a Herald before then, but it was a while. Since Stormlight and Wax and Wayne are more or less contemporary, Spook and his slang would have been around about 300 years before this, which would be over 4000 years after Taln last went to Damnation. Now, I know Scadrial and Roshar have years of different length, but not that different. The idea of a shared ancestry also seems weird, since we know humans on Scadrial didn't come from anywhere else, they were made by Ruin and Preservation right there. And weird, weird slang wouldn't be passed down like that, through millennia. It does look a lot like it though, considering the... creativity of the syntax. I don't remember this at all; I think my brain just skipped that sentence both times I read it. It kinda hurts to read.
RShara she/her Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 21 minutes ago, Ahriman said: I just looked over that scene, and I noticed that that's the last internal thought for like an entire page, and the only thing that comes after it was raving about how it had been too long. I took it as breaking and giving up on making any kind of sense. I feel like it's more of a breakdown than a coherent thought. It reminds me of when I let my phone write my texts for me. As far as the timeline goes, I don't think this works. Taln was betrayed by the other Heralds 4500 years ago, and I don't think it's clear how long he was a Herald before then, but it was a while. Since Stormlight and Wax and Wayne are more or less contemporary, Spook and his slang would have been around about 300 years before this, which would be over 4000 years after Taln last went to Damnation. Now, I know Scadrial and Roshar have years of different length, but not that different. The idea of a shared ancestry also seems weird, since we know humans on Scadrial didn't come from anywhere else, they were made by Ruin and Preservation right there. And weird, weird slang wouldn't be passed down like that, through millennia. It does look a lot like it though, considering the... creativity of the syntax. I don't remember this at all; I think my brain just skipped that sentence both times I read it. It kinda hurts to read. Yeah, Taln would predate Eastern Street Cant by many thousands of years. 1
Karger he/him Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 Also don't we have a WoB that indicates that all of the Heralds are of Ashyn descent?
SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 Wasing the not of the where. 2
+Child of Hodor Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 I hate Street Cant almost as much as Breeze does. 39 minutes ago, Karger said: Also don't we have a WoB that indicates that all of the Heralds are of Ashyn descent? They were all alive on Ashyn and moved to Roshar with the rest of the humans in the big exodus. Except maybe Ash. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/372/#e11945 Like teeeeeeeechnically maaaaaaybe he could have come from Scadrial to Ashyn to Roshar, but that seems extremely unlikely. I wrote the rest of this because I like trying to figure out the Cosmere timeline and less because I think Taln could have been born on Scadrial: It feels like the Heralds are older than Scadrial, but I don't think we know when Scadrial was made in relation to this Exodus, both were post-Shattering, but that's a big stretch of time. We don't know how many times the well of ascension was used or how long between Preservation and Ruin making humans and Preservation trapping Ruin with the Well. Scadrial would need to have been made including the intelligent humans, at least 5,500 years before tWoK. 4,500 + 1,000 years for Desolations + a few years between leaving Ashyn and the Oathpact. That's a really, really, lowball estimate of how long the Deslolations lasted before the 9 Heralds quit. The gap between the first and second desolation lasted several centuries. There were more than 15, but less than 50 Desolations. The Heralds would have to start breaking much much faster immediately after. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/360/#e10816 More likely, we're looking at Taln needing to have been born on Scadrial 7,000 or 8,000 years before tWoK Reading MB I don't get a sense that there were a ton of iterations before Ruin escaped. Then again the TLR completely changed the planet and moved things around then focused on erasing old religions and histories. No significant record of ancient civilizations could survive what he did. 1
Lightblood Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 Uggh if I was forced to learn Eastern Street slang to graduate college I would just be a dockworker for the rest of my life.
Calderis he/him Posted March 2, 2019 Posted March 2, 2019 Not to be a complete downer here... But without knowing the full time line... There's a distinct possibility that Taln predates Scadrial. 1
Steeldancer he/him Posted March 2, 2019 Posted March 2, 2019 It's very possible Taln directly came from Ashyn; although I'll be interested in seeing about that, because supposedly Ash grew up after the journey from Ashyn, and Taln and Ash were a thing, so, yeah. But Taln is either rosharan or Ashyn, there's no way he came from scadrial. Plus, we don't know enough about Herald torture to really have context for this line. More likely that line is a reference to the Fused burning him, than to the Survivor of the Flames.
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