[Theory] Taravangian Bondsmith

[MistWit he/him]

I was thinking that Taravangians goals seem in a way to fit with the bondsmiths ordeal. He is trying to unite all humanity.If bondsmiths do indeed each bond a "Godspren" then Taravangians might be the one bonded to the Odium spren, which would help account for his more twisted means of achieving unity. He is trying to save Roshar using sometimes evil means. This seems to be something a knight radiant bonded to an evil or destructive spren might do.
 

 

Not to sure about this just thought that I would get some opinions about it.

[Moogle]

The Knights were all about the First Ideal, which is about not doing morally questionable things like Taravangian is doing. That said, I've been huge on the theory that the First Ideal doesn't bind Surgebinders very tightly, so it's possible. Taravangian is doing a lot of uniting, though he's also doing a bit of dividing, which might conflict with the Second Ideal of the Bondsmiths.

[dyring]

Taravingian is doing destination before journey not journey before destination, and unlike the poster above, I really doubt there are _that_ much leeway in it, so I´d be really surprised if Taravangian ended up as a radiant.

Edited May 16, 2014 by dyring

[RShara she/her]

I really don't think that Taravangian can be a surgebinder.  He's pretty much doing the opposite of Journey Before Destination, Life Before Death.  He's also dividing, (although in order to later unite).  But dividing at all is probably against the second Ideal.

 

Edit:  Double ninja'd!

Edited May 16, 2014 by RShara

[MistWit he/him]

Yeah, he might be breaking the first ideal but it's kind of abstract. You could get different meanings from it, depending on how much of the ideal is your own view or that of the sprens although your probably right. I would love to know how close you have to be to the ideals to attract a spren or break an already existing bond.

Edited May 16, 2014 by Inquisitor of Wit

[Guest]

I agree with most. Mr T has not shown any Radiant like quality. He wants to unite, but in doing so, he is destroying. He mentions Dalinar has to be removed unless he agrees to remain the Blackthorn......... Dalinar strictly rejected everything he accomplished as the Blackthorn because he now thinks it was wrong.

 

Bottom line is Mr T is the end before the mean and I just cannot see how that would fit with any KR order. He is just not a very nice person nor a very honorable one. I see very little redeeming qualities in him.

[Patrick Star]

My reaction to this:

 

 

I really don't see him being a Bondsmith.  Or a Radiant.  At all.

[RShara she/her]

That's quite an elaborate gif there!

[Aleksiel]

My reaction to this:

 

 

 

Any death rattles there? 

[Patrick Star]

Any death rattles there? 

 

Nope!

[Fifth of Daybreak he/him]

Any death rattles there? 

 

I thought I heard one:

"Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 387973120 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 425175344 bytes) in Unknown on line 0"

Edited May 17, 2014 by EMTrevor

[Plastic Misting]

One of the Parshendi songs reminded me of Taravngian recently:

 

Scholarform shown for patience and thought. / Beware its ambitions innate. / Though study and diligence bring the reward, / Loss of innocence may be one’s fate.

 

So I theorize that he has some sort of bond with a scholarspren with help from the Nightwatcher.

Edited May 17, 2014 by Plastic Misting

[Guest]

One of the Parshendi songs reminded me of Taravngian recently:

 

 

 

 

So I theorize that he has some sort of bond with a scholarspren, which could be a spren of one of the orders of KR, which could give him powers.

 

Yes but the Radiant's fist ideal is "journey before destination" and Mr T is doing the exact opposite "destination before journey". He wants to get to some place and he is willing to employ any possible means to get there. There is no way this coincide even with the Radian's ideals. What he wants to accomplish is irrelevant, it is the mean he is using to get there that are significant. So far, he has murdered thousands of people, spread a war, destroy a kingdom, assassinate leaders and launch a plague. He is not redeeming in anyway as he does not feel bad for any of the things he has done. On the other hand, he keeps at it.

 

I do not believe any spren from any order would be fine with all that.

[Plastic Misting]

Yes but the Radiant's fist ideal is "journey before destination" and Mr T is doing the exact opposite "destination before journey". He wants to get to some place and he is willing to employ any possible means to get there. There is no way this coincide even with the Radian's ideals. What he wants to accomplish is irrelevant, it is the mean he is using to get there that are significant. So far, he has murdered thousands of people, spread a war, destroy a kingdom, assassinate leaders and launch a plague. He is not redeeming in anyway as he does not feel bad for any of the things he has done. On the other hand, he keeps at it.

 

I do not believe any spren from any order would be fine with all that.

I didn't mean to imply anything with my observation.

The Nightwatcher is involved, which means normal rules don't really work anyway. And it has been heavily implied that Taravangians affliction and character will be an important plot points later in the books. And we know that not all spren are as discerning as honorspren with whom they bond with (don't remember the exact quote though). And we also know he's more compassionate on his dumber days.

 

I don't see it as likely, but there is plenty of room for odd things to happen here.

Edited May 17, 2014 by Plastic Misting

[Guest]

I didn't mean to imply anything with my observation.

The Nightwatcher is involved, which means normal rules don't really work anyway. And it has been heavily implied that Taravangians affliction and character will be an important plot points later in the books. And we know that not all spren are as discerning as honorspren with whom they bond with (don't remember the exact quote though). And we also know he's more compassionate on his dumber days.

 

I don't see it as likely, but there is plenty of room for odd things to happen here.

 

 

Not all spren are as discerning, but I wonder which spren would be fine with conscious mass murders? Plague? Assassination in order to spread chaos?

[RShara she/her]

The quote from Nohadon was before the surgebinders were Knights Radiant though, so before the Ideals were in place.  Anything after the KR were formed would be a lot more strict about what their bondmates did at that point.