+Child of Hodor Posted November 6, 2018 Report Share Posted November 6, 2018 Elantris was the first Cosmere book and has a whole language of Aonic symbols that represent certain ideas. This language or mutations of it pop up in other Cosmere novels (the Ire in MB:SH, the Iri on Roshar). I took a stroll through the known Aons, I noticed a few fun connections to later books and some Shard Inents, making me thinking other Shard Intents might be in the Aons. Ashe “Light, Illumination” - Ash is the nickname of the Herald of Lightweaving. Ati “Hope” - Ati was a really nice guy. Then he took up Ruin, the Shard with least hope for the future because in it's view everything is gonna be destroyed. Now get into the Shard Intents, it is interesting to see what concepts Brandon thought were important enough to have as Aons when he was writing his first official Cosmere novel. These are ones that are Shards or I think might be Shards. Eshe “Gift, Endowment” Mai “Honor” Kii “Justice” = Honor + Odium Are “Unity, Cohesion” - A different interpretation of bonds and Honor? Eon “Willpower, Endurance - Perseverance Shard Ido “Mercy, Forgiveness” = a fine godly personality trait. Ien “Wisdom” = Shard that wants to survive. Sao “Intelligence, Learning” Kai “Calmness, Solemnity” = The Boring Shard, still could be a godly personality trait. Anyone see other connections? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted November 6, 2018 Report Share Posted November 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, Child of Hodor said: Kai “Calmness, Solemnity” = The Boring Shard, still could be a godly personality trait. If we're going by traits the holders of the Shards have, this could be Harmony. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted November 6, 2018 Report Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Child of Hodor said: Ati “Hope” - Ati was a really nice guy. Then he took up Ruin, the Shard with least hope for the future because in it's view everything is gonna be destroyed. This was because he wanted to write a story about Matisse, who was a student of his wife's, who wrote a book report on Elantris. And Ati was the only Aon that would work for her name. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/140/#e2240 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/140/#e2242 Edited November 6, 2018 by RShara 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Child of Hodor Posted November 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2018 22 minutes ago, RShara said: This was because he wanted to write a story about Matisse, who was a student of his wife's, who wrote a book report on Elantris. And Ati was the only Aon that would work for her name. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/140/#e2240 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/140/#e2242 Yeah, it is the only one that works. That's so sweet that he did that and that Matisse gave him the book report as a wedding present years later. It's cool he does things like that, you probably already know, but Lyn in Bridge 4 is based on a person. https://coppermind.net/wiki/Lyn Still he used Ati for the Vessel of Ruin and Atium, when burned shows the future. Hope is about things that will happen in the future. Seems like he chose it intentionally and it may have meant hope before Hope of Elantris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted November 6, 2018 Report Share Posted November 6, 2018 The Final Empire was published before he wrote the short story, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Child of Hodor Posted November 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, RShara said: The Final Empire was published before he wrote the short story, though. It was written before it, published after Hope of Elantris was written. Hope of Elantris was written January 2006, Final Empire was published July 2006. The WoBs don't say he created Ati for her and Aon Ati did not exist prior to that. It could have been Ati was the only Aon in her name so he used that and Ati which Hope and the title became Hope of Elantris. Maybe it's like you say that Ati was not an Aon and was the only part of her name he could make into an Aon and it was serendipity that Ati was also Ruin's vessel name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted November 6, 2018 Report Share Posted November 6, 2018 Hope of Elantris was written sometime when writing Well of Ascension: Quote Brandon Sanderson Hope of Elantris I'd been itching to write another Elantris story. Because of the nature of publishing, I knew that I couldn't do a sequel to the book at the time, as the Mistborn novels made so much more sense to publish. However, Matisse's project gave me the inspiration that I needed in order to turn my attention back to Elantris. I stopped writing on Mistborn: The Well of Ascension and wrote out this section of the Elantris story. source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted November 6, 2018 Report Share Posted November 6, 2018 I'm exceptionally annoyed. I know that there is a WoB that explicitly states there is no connection between Ati the man and Aon Ati, and that the Aon was made because it's the only combination of letters that fit the Aon structure... But I can't find it on Arcanum or Theoryland, and it's making me crazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Child of Hodor Posted November 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Calderis said: I'm exceptionally annoyed. I know that there is a WoB that explicitly states there is no connection between Ati the man and Aon Ati, and that the Aon was made because it's the only combination of letters that fit the Aon structure... But I can't find it on Arcanum or Theoryland, and it's making me crazy. I'll take your word for it. If both you and @RShara remember Brandon saying he made it up Ati for Matisse and it wasn't an Aon before that then he probably said it. EDIT: Can't find the source either, but this is been brought up a bunch and shot down as coincidence due to Matisse every time although always without a WoB that says Ati didn't exist as an Aon before Hope of Elantris. Hilariously, this post lists a bunch of times where people have stated it as fact without a WoB. https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/67862-connection-of-atium-with-elantris/?do=findComment&comment=686935 In this thread it is discussed that no on has a WoB for it and it has been classified as "discussed to death" so I'll stop after this post. https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/58925-is-aon-ati-a-coincidental-name/ It could be that it was assumed by someone that Aon Ati was made up for Matisse and said it on a forum once and everyone repeated it as fact after that assuming the first person was correct, but it's more likely that it's correct. For entertainment here are a bunch of other times it was discussed. https://www.reddit.com/r/Elantris/comments/6debtb/odd_aonnaming_coincidence_or_no/ https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/13832-the-aeon-ati/ https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/4912-ati-was-from-sel/ https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/995-aon-ati/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Cosmere/comments/4abrsu/spoilers_all_aons_and_shardic_intent/ Edited November 6, 2018 by Child of Hodor Links 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Croaker's Apprentice Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 18 hours ago, Child of Hodor said: Ido “Mercy, Forgiveness” = a fine godly personality trait. I was speculating on the identity of the 6 'known unknown' Shards the other day and definitely think MERCY has to be one of them - your theory tends to confirm this ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripheus23 Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 6 hours ago, Croaker's Apprentice said: I was speculating on the identity of the 6 'known unknown' Shards the other day and definitely think MERCY has to be one of them - your theory tends to confirm this ! Mercy = Devotion/Love/Aona, I would suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Croaker's Apprentice Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 18 hours ago, Ripheus23 said: Mercy = Devotion/Love/Aona, I would suppose. I would beg to disagree, as Mercy is clearly different from Devotion/ Love. You wouldn't tend to be merciful towards someone you love would you; quite the opposite, mercy is for those you would otherwise hate ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripheus23 Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 7 hours ago, Croaker's Apprentice said: I would beg to disagree, as Mercy is clearly different from Devotion/ Love. You wouldn't tend to be merciful towards someone you love would you; quite the opposite, mercy is for those you would otherwise hate ? IDK isn't mainstream Christianity the idea that God loves us so much that He shows us mercy when we sin (as long as we believe that someone else who is also God, was punished already in our place)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Croaker's Apprentice Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 14 hours ago, Ripheus23 said: IDK isn't mainstream Christianity the idea that God loves us so much that He shows us mercy when we sin (as long as we believe that someone else who is also God, was punished already in our place)? Well, without getting into a theological debate (which can be fun, but I'm on my lunch break) (pancakes before journey in this case) isn't the point that we are dealing with a God that has been shattered into separate parts, and even if you are right that God's (Adonalsium's) Mercy was intrinsic to his Devotion (or Love as you define it), post- shattering they could still be separate Shards of the divinity's broken identity couldn't they ? I would also point out that Love itself may well be considered to be made up of more than simply Devotion... Thanks for the interesting conversation ! Bite-sized philosophy is always a good filler for sandwiches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripheus23 Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 5 hours ago, Croaker's Apprentice said: I would also point out that Love itself may well be considered to be made up of more than simply Devotion... Technically, my thought is based on the following WoB: Quote Puck (paraphrased) Does Aona equal Love or Compassion? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) You have it, it's just a synonym there. You basically have it Puck (paraphrased) Does Skai equal Devotion or Order? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) You're not on there. But you are on on the first one [Aona]. source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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