Mikanium Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) Has anyone asked Brandon if Nightblood would allow Szeth to use it against Zahel? I can't stop speculating that Nightblood decided that Zahel is evil for some reason now, and that's how he lost it. He does mention he misses it. Also, in the timeline of Stormlight Archive, does/would Zahel feel sick around Nightblood? I know someone who has drawn Nightblood has the nausea suppressed. We know Brandon doesn't just say 'It would be cool if people who were good felt sick around the sword', the mechanics of the magic system (oxymoron anyone?) cause the effect. Luckily, Brandon never comes to Florida, because I would ask something stupid like 'What would happen if Hoid had all 10 honor blades ducktaped to his body, and consumed Aluminum, Duralium, Malatium, and Lerasium at the same time, while sitting on a giant soulstone floating in the purelake?' Edited May 10, 2014 by Mikanium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifth of Daybreak he/him Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 I think Weiry found the answer to a lot of this and had posted it in the "When Szeth Meets Zahel" thread. I would say that Nightblood would have the exact same feelings about Vasher as always. Brandon has talked a little about how Nightblood is developmentally "stuck" in the mindset he had shortly after his creation. To Nightblood, Shashara will always be alive, etc: Nightblood was interesting to write in this book as he makes a very nice contrast to Vasher. Vasher doesn’t want to say anything about his past; he’s so tight-lipped about it that he rarely even spends any time thinking about it. Nightblood, however, dwells quite heavily on the past. Though in some ways his mind is very capable, he has the quirk of being an Awakened object. The first hours of his life—during which time he met Shashara, Denth, and Vasher—imprinted heavily on him. It’s like . . . a part of his mind is hard forged in that moment with read-only memory that cannot be changed. Much of him can learn and grow, despite what Vasher says, but he cannot overwrite those initial concepts, states, and understandings that were burned into him during his birth. Shashara was alive then, so he will always think of her as alive, even if thousands of years have passed. Denth will always be pleased with him. Vasher will always be friends with the other two. Those things were some of Nightblood’s first impressions. (source) Considering SA is after Warbreaker, I'd have to say he's immune. Unless the effect of using Nightblood fades over time making you susceptible again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikanium Posted May 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 So the general consensus is that Nightblood would not harm Vasher, and if Szeth tried, it would be bad for him. I wonder if perhaps Nightblood could compel Szeth to give nightblood back to Vasher (whether Vasher wanted it or not). If the first few hours are read only memory, then Nightblood might as well call Vasher Dad. It's a little weird that Nightblood dwells on the past, yet has no concept of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifth of Daybreak he/him Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) So the general consensus is that Nightblood would not harm Vasher, and if Szeth tried, it would be bad for him. I wonder if perhaps Nightblood could compel Szeth to give nightblood back to Vasher (whether Vasher wanted it or not). Well, in that thread we never really come up to a consensus on what would happen if he tried to use Nightblood to attack him, other than my speculations on hilarity. I doubt that Szeth would willingly give up Nightblood, even if Nightblood was arguing for it. If the first few hours are read only memory, then Nightblood might as well call Vasher Dad. It's a little weird that Nightblood dwells on the past, yet has no concept of time. It's kind of similar to how the circus trains elephants. They are tied with a rope when they're very young, and they try repeatedly to break the rope, failing. As this continues, they 'know' that the rope can't be broken. Fast forward years and the elephant is now strong enough to break the rope, but doesn't even try, even if the owner replaces the rope with a small one and a stake in the ground. It's ingrained and imprinted knowledge. It doesn't realize that circumstances have changed, the elephant just knows that the rope is unbreakable. Edit: Less confusing formatting. Edited May 10, 2014 by EMTrevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Well, in that thread we never really come up to a consensus on what would happen if he tried to use Nightblood to attack him, other than my speculations on hilarity. I doubt that Szeth would willingly give up Nightblood, even if Nightblood was arguing for it. It's kind of similar to how the circus trains elephants. They are tied with a rope when they're very young, and they try repeatedly to break the rope, failing. As this continues, they 'know' that the rope can't be broken. Fast forward years and the elephant is now strong enough to break the rope, but doesn't even try, even if the owner replaces the rope with a small one and a stake in the ground. It's ingrained and imprinted knowledge. It doesn't realize that circumstances have changed, the elephant just knows that the rope is unbreakable. I don't really see how the elephant metaphor explains Szeth not giving up Nightblood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifth of Daybreak he/him Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 I don't really see how the elephant metaphor explains Szeth not giving up Nightblood. Its a metaphor for the second part of his post If the first few hours are read only memory, then Nightblood might as well call Vasher Dad. It's a little weird that Nightblood dwells on the past, yet has no concept of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreathTaker he/him Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Just got ninj'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) Its a metaphor for the second part of his post I thought you continued the same thought instead of switching to another, thank for the clarification! Edited May 10, 2014 by Aleksiel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numb Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Vasher used Nightblood to slay Shashara who not only drew Nightblood but is someone Nightblood still views as a good person. I think it's highly likely that Nightblood doesn't dictate who he harms once drawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikanium Posted May 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Vasher slew Shashara because she was going to release the knowledge on how to make sentient sword. And now he's on Roshar. Anyone else see the irony in that? Vasher used Nightblood to slay Shashara who not only drew Nightblood but is someone Nightblood still views as a good person. I think it's highly likely that Nightblood doesn't dictate who he harms once drawn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natiels Posted May 13, 2014 Report Share Posted May 13, 2014 Vasher used Nightblood to slay Shashara who not only drew Nightblood but is someone Nightblood still views as a good person. I think it's highly likely that Nightblood doesn't dictate who he harms once drawn. Do we know that he used Nightblood to slay her? I would also doubt Nightblood's ability to not kill somebody no matter how much it liked that person, but I was wondering if this is actually confirmed or if it was possible Zahel just killed her via some other means (not with nightblood). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natiels Posted May 13, 2014 Report Share Posted May 13, 2014 Do we know that he used Nightblood to slay her? I would also doubt Nightblood's ability to not kill somebody no matter how much it liked that person, but I was wondering if this is actually confirmed or if it was possible Zahel just killed her via some other means (not with nightblood). I guess I'll answer my own question. I see that it is confirmed that vasher killed her with nightblood in the annotation here. http://brandonsanderson.com/annotation-warbreaker-chapter-fifty-six/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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