Vanavel she/her Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Also, thanks The Only Joe! (I accidentally hid the wrong one first, but I finally got it right after that. )
Guest Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 I'm more with Maxal. I've always thought that he went to the Nightwatcher out of the depth of his grief over his wife's death. If that was the case, he probably asked for some sort of relief from the pain, and the Nightwatcher responded by entirely removing Dalinar's memories of his wife, etc. His blessing was his curse. That's pretty much what I think too.
signspace13 he/him Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 I'm more with Maxal. I've always thought that he went to the Nightwatcher out of the depth of his grief over his wife's death. If that was the case, he probably asked for some sort of relief from the pain, and the Nightwatcher responded by entirely removing Dalinar's memories of his wife, etc. His blessing was his curse. But would the night watcher see it that way? the Nightwatcher seems to always give a blessing AND a curse, never both as one. I think the Nightwatcher would have perceived the erasing of his memories as a blessing, and I don't know where you got that Adolin started training so young Maxal, but if it is so then perhaps it is because he is the eldest child and Dalinar waited longer for Renarin, anyway I think that Renarin's sickness is just a little suspicious, and it seems like the exact sought of thing that the Nightwatcher would do.
Guest Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 But would the night watcher see it that way? the Nightwatcher seems to always give a blessing AND a curse, never both as one. I think the Nightwatcher would have perceived the erasing of his memories as a blessing, and I don't know where you got that Adolin started training so young Maxal, but if it is so then perhaps it is because he is the eldest child and Dalinar waited longer for Renarin, anyway I think that Renarin's sickness is just a little suspicious, and it seems like the exact sought of thing that the Nightwatcher would do. Adolin mentions it in his POV, after one of the plateau run, the one where Renarin tried to protect the bridgeman and had fit that wasn't a fit. He was pep talking Renarin and Renarin mentions how Adolin started sword training at 6.
codetoast Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Based on more recent posts, I am thinking Amaram was not a molester, but a "prospect" for Jasnah..... I mean, look at how scandalous people think of Adolin not being married yet at 22 and how much pressure he has to just find someone, it is very easy to imagine the sort of pressure young Jasnah may have had.... At the time, Sadeas, Dalinar and Galivar were all friends. Amaram is a lighteye of the third dahn who is very well thought of. It is not hard to imagine Galivar trying to make a match between him and his daughter. I do not know how old Amaram is, but I have always pictured him as younger than Sadeas, so he could be about Jasnah's age or slightly older, which would make him 35-45 years old. I agree that Amaram was a suitor or proposed suitor for Jasnah and nothing more from the Jasnah POV. However her reaction to the idea of being something more with him may lend credence to the belief that she is gay. Saying that there could be nothing more between them, indicates that she finds something about herself or him that are incompatable. If its something about herself, I propose that could mean she is gay. Also, do we know that the person she cared for deeply who tried to convince her of vorinism was an ardent? I feel like Jasnah came by her athiesm the "honest" way. I feel like she logically arrived at her conclusion of athiesm rather than out of distaste for religion which she then later justified with logic. Growing up, some of her teachers could have been ardents or devout vorinists. Perhaps a father/mother like figure was among them that could account for the "he" who she cared about. I think it unlikely that this person betrayed her trust(based on her seemingly fond memories..."care"), but the loss of such a person could have been devestating to her.
Aleksiel Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Also, do we know that the person she cared for deeply who tried to convince her of vorinism was an ardent? She doesn't say actually Many years ago, someone dear to me made a very good attempt at converting me to Vorinism. This was the method he used.” So, I suppose it's open for discussion. Funny things is, until recently I was convinced a female ardent was the dear one who gave Jasnah the book, and now it turns out it was actually an unknown man.
Vanavel she/her Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 That line always sounded like she was talking about someone with whom she had been romantically involved. Regardless, if it was a man with a book, it seems likely he was an ardent since the only Vorin men who read are ardents. Also, losing him whether he was tragically killed by thugs or left her life some other way could be enough to be what broke her. There is a reason use phrases like "broken heart", "heart breaking", etc.
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