Vyre vs. Kaladin

[Envay]

On 10/24/2018 at 3:35 AM, Mental Drifter said:

My question was based on an assumption of a more thoroughly groomed and trained Vyre. I'm actually figuring Szeth will use his crazyepicmurderblade on Odium eventually.

Every contest of champions I have ever seen required acceptance by the champion. Odium thought Dalinar would fold under the pressure of The Thrill, which would have meant he'd never lose...unless Dalinar killed himself(?)

But when Dalinar fought The Thrill off, it ruined Odium's plan, so he had to retreat to come up with a new plan. Otherwise Odium would have to choose from a selection that wasn't really winning a one-on-one contest that they were currently fighting.

I'm also not expecting Dalinar to fight himself, but instead choose a champion of his own.

It's really hard to say, because some things are obvious to me (like Jasnah not being dead) and some I miss completely (like Venli binding with a Spren instead of Eshonai...I mean she even said the words*slaps forehead*)

But Dalinar did fight himself, theside that reveled in the thrill and the side that strives to be better. That was the contest. At least according to my understanding 

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

4 hours ago, Envay said:

But Dalinar did fight himself, theside that reveled in the thrill and the side that strives to be better. That was the contest. At least according to my understanding 

If that was the case, Odium would be defeated, I think.

[kaellok he/him]

On 11/7/2018 at 7:02 PM, WhiteEmporer said:

@kaellok I think we're going to have to strongly agree to strongly disagree on this particular issue.

Either that, or you could challenge me to a test of champions...

My champion is...You!

Oh wait, did someone try the "recruit opponent in his own champion contest" trick already? Nuts...

 

That's more than fair.  I was hoping that my words hadn't offended, as I can tend to have a similar writing style to the Forthright Philosophers.  (I actually can't remember their name; the ones that Shallan disliked so because they presented their own opinions as unambiguous fact in WoK.)

I think that it's great that you like character of Moash so much.  This would hardly be the first time that a character fell really flat for me, while others praised them as being dynamic and changing (Joe Abercrombie's First Law trilogy is completely filled with characters that felt that way to me, but I seem to be in the distinct minority of that opinion). 

I also completely agree that if there is a contest of champions, it will be Kaladin for Honor and Someone for Odium.  Odium's champion will also almost definitely see development through at least a few books.  So, we may not have seen them on-screen yet, but I would be very surprised if we haven't seen them by the end of Book 4.  I also think it more likely than not that we have seen them, and know a bit about them, since we're past the half-way mark in the series.

[Mental Drifter]

On 11/8/2018 at 1:16 AM, Envay said:

But Dalinar did fight himself, theside that reveled in the thrill and the side that strives to be better. That was the contest. At least according to my understanding 

While that is TECHNICALLY true, I don't think it works for the spirit of the contest. Besides I think the champion has to fully accept being a champion, which Dalinar didn't.

[WhiteEmporer]

@kaellok No worries.

Well, regardless of what happens, I think we can look forward to an EPIC boss battle.