Cultivation's name is "Larsta"

[Ripheus23]

Two bits of evidence: Sazed's remark, "Be warned, the Larsta love oath is binding. They knew no form of divorce in their culture," which is reminiscent of an Honorific oath. Not that Larsta was Tanavast as a transvestite (a Tanavestite?), though, but as Tanavast's girlfriend/wife/w/e. Also this (I'm quotin' the Coppermind as I've not got me own Mistborn copies): "The Larsta left many of the descriptions of Scadrial's pre-ascension plants and animals, such as the Marewill flowers that Sazed uses to model new flora." This strikes me as a little Cultivation-y, if you will.

Also "Tanavast" and "Larsta" sort of sound like they could be from the same language. Not that either would necessarily have been averse to marrying people who spoke a different language or whatever, but still.

Edited September 25, 2018 by Ripheus23

[Walin he/him]

Seeing as Trell is also a name that came from off-world, I'm really hoping this theory becomes canon (or always was canon) in the future. If Cultivation's Vessel's name isn't Larsta, it'll hopefully be something close, like "Larst" or "Lars." Hopefully we see some more of this religion in the future, or a reference to Cultivation's name outright, to give this theory more evidence.

In terms of Tanavast and Larsta being of the same language, I think that makes me more uncertain. On the one hand, maybe Tanavast and Cultivation lived in the same place before banding together with the Shatter Quartet Quartet (we don't have complete evidence that there aren't Shard quadrants yet!), but on the other hand, the other Shardic names don't have that same kind of pairing.

Edited September 26, 2018 by Walin
Proofreading for a couple things

[Juanaton he/him]

52 minutes ago, Walin said:

In terms of Tanavast and Larsta being of the same language, I think that makes me more uncertain. On the one hand, maybe Tanavast and Cultivation lived in the same place...

Well, they were lovers, so....WoB evidence

Edited September 26, 2018 by Juanaton

[Leyrann]

I like it. I could even see Brandon refuse to say anything about Cultivation's name because he wanted to hear someone guess it correctly.

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

The theory is good, have an upvote! My only problem is that the name reminds me of a fictional small town called Larstad, which feels kinda silly, but whatever..

[MountainKing]

17 hours ago, Walin said:

Seeing as Trell is also a name that came from off-world, I'm really hoping this theory becomes canon (or always was canon) in the future. If Cultivation's Vessel's name isn't Larsta, it'll hopefully be something close, like "Larst" or "Lars." Hopefully we see some more of this religion in the future, or a reference to Cultivation's name outright, to give this theory more evidence.

In terms of Tanavast and Larsta being of the same language, I think that makes me more uncertain. On the one hand, maybe Tanavast and Cultivation lived in the same place before banding together with the Shatter Quartet Quartet (we don't have complete evidence that there aren't Shard quadrants yet!), but on the other hand, the other Shardic names don't have that same kind of pairing.

I'm only against this theory because I want Honor and Cultivation to be dragons, and Larsta isn't really a dragon's name.

[Philomath she/her]

I suppose this theory is possible but I am not convinced. Most if not all of the Vessel names we know came from their own stories or a WoB. (I’m unsure about Bavadin/Autonomy) Also, Scadrial was created by Ruin and Preservation. Yes it was modeled after Yolen, but I would be very surprised if they taught the people Yolish religions and traditions. Or would mention their Vessel companions for that matter. I would assume the Larsta religion to be purely a Scadrian thing. I suspect Cultivation’s name will be found in SA or given by Brandon. 

[Andy92]

1 hour ago, Philomath said:

I suppose this theory is possible but I am not convinced. Most if not all of the Vessel names we know came from their own stories or a WoB. (I’m unsure about Bavadin/Autonomy) Also, Scadrial was created by Ruin and Preservation. Yes it was modeled after Yolen, but I would be very surprised if they taught the people Yolish religions and traditions. Or would mention their Vessel companions for that matter. I would assume the Larsta religion to be purely a Scadrian thing. I suspect Cultivation’s name will be found in SA or given by Brandon. 

Trell was also the name of one of the old gods that Sazed studied, and that name seems to be referring to a Shard as well. It’s not necessarily the actual name of a Shardholder, but there seems to be a correlation there. 

It wouldn’t surprise me if some Yolish lore found its way into Scadrial considering the creators of the planets’ peoples came from Yolen in the first place. 

I think it’s a plausible idea. Not really enough evidence for me to completely buy into it, but I think it’d be cool if it turned out to be true. 

[Jace21 he/him]

9 minutes ago, Andy92 said:

Trell was also the name of one of the old gods that Sazed studied, and that name seems to be referring to a Shard as well. It’s not necessarily the actual name of a Shardholder, but there seems to be a correlation there.

I actually think it was the other way around, that the Shard took the name from the religion, not the other way around.

With regards to the OP, it is certainly possible. Brando. Does like to slot these things in where he can. Scadrial is an unusual choice for a Rosharan Shard but I would not be even a little surprised.

[Yata he/him]

1 hour ago, Jace21 said:

I actually think it was the other way around, that the Shard took the name from the religion, not the other way around.

With regards to the OP, it is certainly possible. Brando. Does like to slot these things in where he can. Scadrial is an unusual choice for a Rosharan Shard but I would not be even a little surprised.

Trell was the name of a Taldain dude a centuries before Mistborn era1... But we don't know how much before/after the actual trelligism.

That dude and his name was deliberated enough to have them trasposed into the GN without change...

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

Larsta also sounds a bit like Leras...

[Leyrann]

7 hours ago, Yata said:

Trell was the name of a Taldain dude a centuries before Mistborn era1... But we don't know how much before/after the actual trelligism.

That dude and his name was deliberated enough to have them trasposed into the GN without change...

White Sand plays approximately a millennium before MB1, right? That would place Trelligism before it, as White Sand then plays around the time the Lord Ruler came to power.

[Yata he/him]

10 minutes ago, Leyrann said:

White Sand plays approximately a millennium before MB1, right? That would place Trelligism before it, as White Sand then plays around the time the Lord Ruler came to power.

I remained vague because we don't know how far in the past WS goes...it's before Elantris but we don't know how much

[PallonianFire he/him]

19 hours ago, MountainKing said:

I'm only against this theory because I want Honor and Cultivation to be dragons, and Larsta isn't really a dragon's name.

Tanavast, at least, was not a dragon. I asked Brandon during the JordanCon Magic tournament, and he was comfortable shooting that one down.

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White Sand plays approximately a millennium before MB1, right? That would place Trelligism before it, as White Sand then plays around the time the Lord Ruler came to power.

So this was pre-White Sand discussion online and before we started obsessively recording everything, but I also asked Brandon at the Denver SoS signing whether the Trell in the White Sand prose was involved in the religions on Scadrial, and he said "nice catch." For what that's worth. (Amusingly, I hadn't read SoS yet as that signing was release day, so I had no clue how important Trell would end up being in Era 2. I bet Brandon was snickering internally the whole time I talked to him.)

I know it sucks to have multiple paraphrased WoBs here, but they are pertinent.

Edited September 27, 2018 by PallonianFire
Added further info for conversation

[MountainKing]

2 hours ago, PallonianFire said:

Tanavast, at least, was not a dragon. I asked Brandon during the JordanCon Magic tournament, and he was comfortable shooting that one down.

So this was pre-White Sand discussion online and before we started obsessively recording everything, but I also asked Brandon at the Denver SoS signing whether the Trell in the White Sand prose was involved in the religions on Scadrial, and he said "nice catch." For what that's worth. (Amusingly, I hadn't read SoS yet as that signing was release day, so I had no clue how important Trell would end up being in Era 2. I bet Brandon was snickering internally the whole time I talked to him.)

I know it sucks to have multiple paraphrased WoBs here, but they are pertinent.

He did, can I have a wob for that?

But Culti could still be a drgaon.

[PallonianFire he/him]

57 minutes ago, MountainKing said:

He did, can I have a wob for that?

But Culti could still be a drgaon.

I mean, I don't remember the exact wording. It was like 2 am and, uhhh, I may have had a couple of drinks at that point. But I basically told him I had a wild pet theory, because the Stormfather's face is described as "inhuman" and Tanavast wears gold in Dalinar's vision, that Tanavast was a gold dragon. Brandon just laughed and said he wasn't a dragon.