Where's WalDo: The Kandra Worldhopper

[Newan he/him]

Could it be Gaz? He disappeared for a little bit then randomly showed up again. It could be him. Maybe.

 

It's not Gaz.  I asked Brandon, and he said Gaz is still Gaz.  

 

Also, Brandon said that the kandra worldhopper is an agent of Harmony.  And she's female.  I think that technically a female kandra could still take the form of a man, but my guess is that we're looking for a girl.  So I doubt it is Felt or the man who refers to himself as Taln.  

Edited November 20, 2014 by Newan

[gjustice99 she/her]

Also, Brandon said that the kandra worldhopper is an agent of Harmony.  And she's female.  I think that technically a female kandra could still take the form of a man, but my guess is that we're looking for a girl.  So I doubt it is Felt or the man who refers to himself as Taln.  

So, the kandra being female gives even more support for Iyatil being the kandra. Also in support of Iaytil (assuming that it is MeLaan that is the kandra) MeLaan and TenSoon are really close and TenSoon kinda worships Vin, and earlier on here we have pointed out that Iyatil seems to copy Vin's mannerisms...

[Titan Arum]

 

I think that technically a female kandra could still take the form of a man, but my guess is that we're looking for a girl.  So I doubt it is Felt or the man who refers to himself as Taln.  

If TenSoon is willing to take the form of a wolfhound because he's commanded to by the holder of his Contract, then I could see a female kandra taking the form of a man if Harmony really wants her to work way undercover. However, if I were a betting man (which I am), I'd place my money on the female kandra taking the form of a woman.  

[Newan he/him]

So, the kandra being female gives even more support for Iyatil being the kandra. Also in support of Iaytil (assuming that it is MeLaan that is the kandra) MeLaan and TenSoon are really close and TenSoon kinda worships Vin, and earlier on here we have pointed out that Iyatil seems to copy Vin's mannerisms...

 

Yeah, but Ilyatil doesn't seem like she would be carrying out Harmony's orders.

[gjustice99 she/her]

Yeah, but Ilyatil doesn't seem like she would be carrying out Harmony's orders.

She could just be acting the part to get information from the Ghostbloods.

[Newan he/him]

She could just be acting the part to get information from the Ghostbloods.

I guess... But she is Mraize's babsk, and Mraize seems like a thoroughly bad dude.  It just doesn't seem likely to me.  

[Mckeedee123 he/him]

Exactly. Iyatil is too active in the Ghostbloods. She was sent to assassinate Amaram.  Iyatil is a trusted member who has obviously done lots of work for the Ghostbloods. She interferes too much with events to be a spy for a third party. What we're really looking for is a minor minor character. WalDo is probably a scribe for one of the highprinces.

 

In this respect, I really like Danlan. She courted Adolin for a few weeks to get a position among Dalinar's scribes, then dumped him. She happened to possess the voice/features that Adolin likes which allowed her to do that. A few days/weeks later, she joins a branch of the Ghostbloods, but they think she can't perform missions so she doesn't actually do anything there... I'd say she's in a perfect position for gathering information without having to interfere with what's going on.

[Knotai]

There has been only one female kandra mentioned in the cosmere. That is MeLaan.

 

Exactly. Iyatil is too active in the Ghostbloods. She was sent to assassinate Amaram.  Iyatil is a trusted member who has obviously done lots of work for the Ghostbloods. She interferes too much with events to be a spy for a third party. What we're really looking for is a minor minor character. WalDo is probably a scribe for one of the highprinces.

 

In this respect, I really like Danlan. She courted Adolin for a few weeks to get a position among Dalinar's scribes, then dumped him. She happened to possess the voice/features that Adolin likes which allowed her to do that. A few days/weeks later, she joins a branch of the Ghostbloods, but they think she can't perform missions so she doesn't actually do anything there... I'd say she's in a perfect position for gathering information without having to interfere with what's going on.

 

I think Iyatil is a perfectly normal choice if we consider the following crazy theory.

 

Scribes are very easy to come by/learn positions, and kandra education is excellent. MeLaan could have easily gotten a job as a scribe in Dalinar's camp, started flirting with Adolin, and disappeared.

 

Some of you discussed above the fluidity and mask of Iyatil. Her race is never discussed due to these odd characteristics. What if she is indeed not human? In fact, what if she is a Dysian Aimian, the race we have not seen yet?

In this case, MeLaan could kill her without violating the Contract and would enable the Worldhoppers to infiltrate the Ghostbloods. It would be relatively easy, after spending time in Dalinar's camp as a kandra, to analyze Iyatil's actions and murder her one night, infiltrating her body after the kill. Because kandra and Aimians could have such similar skin-shifting abilities, the mask could work just as well for MeLaan as it did for Iyatil.

Just a couple crazy thoughts...

Edited November 27, 2014 by Knotai

[Mckeedee123 he/him]

 

Some of you discussed above the fluidity and mask of Iyatil. Her race is never discussed due to these odd characteristics. What if she is indeed not human? In fact, what if she is a Dysian Aimian, the race we have not seen yet?

 

Wouldn't someone have noticed her shadow going the wrong way? Or her shadow not going the wrong way anymore once she was replaced?

[Knotai]

mckeedee123, that trait belongs to the Siah Aimians, who were placed under a curse. We don't know much about the Dysian Aimians, and Axies only refers in his interlude to the curse being placed upon Siah Aimians.

[Moogle]

mckeedee123, that trait belongs to the Siah Aimians, who were placed under a curse. We don't know much about the Dysian Aimians, and Axies only refers in his interlude to the curse being placed upon Siah Aimians.

 

We don't know if all the Siah Aimians were placed under a curse. Axies simply refers to the "Curse of Kind", and it's entirely likely only he himself is cursed. The trait of having your shadow fall the wrong way is not only associated with the Aimians as well, it seems to be a trait of things more strongly in the Cognitive. Jasnah's shadow falls the wrong way occasionally, and Pattern's shadow also points the wrong way in Shadesmar.

Edited November 27, 2014 by Ookla the Infinite

[Mckeedee123 he/him]

*rereads Axies interlude*

 

Ah. Well, alright then, shadows don't prove anything. I feel like such a tool now. 

 

What I was saying before, though, wasn't that being with the Ghostbloods for a long time proves Iyatil's not the kandra (not that any of us can really even prove anything, I guess), It's just that she's such a useful tool for them right now. And anyway, assuming that she still follows the first contract, wouldn't assassinating Amaram kind of violate it?

Edited November 29, 2014 by mckeedee123

[Khyrindor he/him]

Harmony has no problem with Wax killing people, and the old contracts...we have no idea if they're still in use. She does see rather involved, but Mraize is (probably?) a worldhopper, which is an ideal situation for Iyatil to get a good glimpse of the worlds in the Cosmere. Perhaps she and Harmony consider it worth the cost of a few lives to see other worlds with ease. Also, the Ghostbloods do seem to have their reasons for assassinations, who knows, perhaps Harmony agrees with them or at least sympathizes with them.

[Unodus he/him]

I might be getting my chronology mixed up, but I've been thinking...

What if Waldo was Helaran? (Shallans eldest brother)
We know that Kaladin killed Helaran, which would have given ample importunity for Waldo to digest his body/ regenerate, etc- but in WoR, Helaran is mentioned to be in the area near the end of Shallans childhood- which surprises Shallans father, as I assume he had heard rumors of his sons death- and plans to send his soldiers to kill him personally (this would make sense since Amarams ascendance would have meant Shallans father would know Helaran was shardless).

Not to mention, Helaran was investigating skybreakers before his death- perhaps that could be related.

Now, I might have got the two events mixed up, so its probable that I'm going up the wrong tree- but imagine what would happen if Kaladin confronted Helarans "Ghost" 

[gjustice99 she/her]

I might be getting my chronology mixed up, but I've been thinking...

What if Waldo was Helaran? (Shallans eldest brother)

We know that Kaladin killed Helaran, which would have given ample importunity for Waldo to digest his body/ regenerate, etc- but in WoR, Helaran is mentioned to be in the area near the end of Shallans childhood- which surprises Shallans father, as I assume he had heard rumors of his sons death- and plans to send his soldiers to kill him personally (this would make sense since Amarams ascendance would have meant Shallans father would know Helaran was shardless).

Not to mention, Helaran was investigating skybreakers before his death- perhaps that could be related.

Now, I might have got the two events mixed up, so its probable that I'm going up the wrong tree- but imagine what would happen if Kaladin confronted Helarans "Ghost" 

That might work, the only thing is that the kandra is a girl, I'm sure that they could imitate a guy but they probably wouldn't like it and I think that since Brandon has said that the kandra is female he probably wouldn't have it imitate a guy.

[Mckeedee123 he/him]

Harmony has no problem with Wax killing people, and the old contracts...we have no idea if they're still in use.

 

I'm not sure if they're still in use either, but it seems to have been a point of discussion on this thread.

 

Regardless, I don't think that Harmony would want the kandra killing anyone. Even on Scadrial, they don't make any big waves. Letting an organization unwittingly use one of his immortals for assassination just doesn't seem like something Harmony would do.

Edited November 29, 2014 by mckeedee123

[~sylphrena~ she/her]

While Iyatil certainly has qualities that make her suspicious (especially that quote about "adapting"), I think she (and her backstory) are too important to be explained by a complicated concept that requires you read Mistborn to understand it. It seems likely that the only places Brandon could reveal something like this while being true to his promise that these are just "easter eggs" would be the final Mistborn trilogy; however, we'll want to know more about the Ghostbloods long before that.

 

Has anyone succeeded in identifying the mysterious ardent sketching bridgeman tattoos? (I read something saying he was Nazh, and all we know about him is that he is more knowledgeable than Hoid). He sounds like the type Sazed would employ, and I doubt he naturally has a shaved head (would draw too much attention on other worlds)... could he be a kandra?

[gjustice99 she/her]

Has anyone succeeded in identifying the mysterious ardent sketching bridgeman tattoos? (I read something saying he was Nazh, and all we know about him is that he is more knowledgeable than Hoid). He sounds like the type Sazed would employ, and I doubt he naturally has a shaved head (would draw too much attention on other worlds)... could he be a kandra?

I think you are right, his name is Nazh, and we know that he is not really an ardent and is probably a worldhopper. The only problem with that is that the kandra is known to be female, so she would probably be imitating a female as well. If Brandon has said that the kandra worldhopper is female then he probably wouldn't have her imitate a man.

[Unodus he/him]

Hate to ask, but how can you have a "girl" Kandra..?

I mean... I assume as they don't reproduce in the same way we do- they would be naturally "genderless", so..

Are you sure Brandon wasn't just implying she was just disguised as a female...? .3.;

(I vaguely remember Kandra culture, but my memory of it is hazy.. .~.;   )

Edited November 29, 2014 by Unodus

[Knotai]

Kandra have two genders-male and female.

 

Her identity hasn't been confirmed, but Brandon has said we have seen the female kandra before, which means (90%) she is MeLaan.

[gjustice99 she/her]

Hate to ask, but how can you have a "girl" Kandra..?

I mean... I assume as they don't reproduce in the same way we do- they would be naturally "genderless", so..

Are you sure Brandon wasn't just implying she was just disguised as a female...? .3.;

(I vaguely remember Kandra culture, but my memory of it is hazy.. .~.;   )

It was directly stated in a conversation between Vin and TenSoon that kandra have genders (also said that he is male) but it is hard to distinguish.

Edited November 29, 2014 by gjustice99

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

They distinguish Gender by Smell.

ZAS678

How do Kandra decide gender? Is it just intellectual? Or are there subtle physical differences?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Kandra have a specific gender that is associated with scent- you can tell if a kandra is a boy or girl depending on how they smell. There is more to it than that. They also know who they are attracted to.

(Source)

 

And I don't think Harmony would approve of Kandra killing people.

Edited November 29, 2014 by Ookla the Stupendous

[Newan he/him]

Her identity hasn't been confirmed, but Brandon has said we have seen the female kandra before, which means (90%) she is MeLaan.

 

You're misinterpreting the context in which he said this.  This was at Salt Lake Comic Con.  I asked him which world the kandra worldhopper was on, and he said "You have seen her before".  He was saying that she appeared in a published book, but he wasn't going to reveal which one.  This neither confirms nor denies that she could be MeLaan.  

 

Another thing to think about is that MeLaan was still on Scadrial within a couple decades of Alloy of Law.  She converted Waxillium to Pathism.  

 

Also, to the people who are wondering about Nazh, Nazh is from Threnody, not Scadrial.  

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Has it been confirmed that we have seen the Kandra in her Worldhopper form?

[hoidhunter he/him]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it on this thread, but someone found a guy named Felt who might be on multiple planets and has made minor contributions to big events. I'll try and find the place and put a link here.

 

Edit: Found it

http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/20458-did-i-find-another-hoid-alias/?hl=hoid

While I appreciate the vote of confidence for finding something neat...I don't think that Felt would be the world hopping Kandra...because Felt's first appearance in is the Final Empire.  I do still think that Felt is a world hopper of some king though...