Thurin he/him Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 So we have this WoB ... Quote XS-Terrain [PENDING REVIEW] Also, does each of the Unmade have a corresponding order of the Knights Radiant? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Eh... Kind of. XS-Terrain [PENDING REVIEW] Ok. So there are nine Unmade right, so which one is left out? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Bondsmith. But it's not as one to one, there's some fuzziness in there. I don't have much yet, but shall we try to determine to which order of the Radiants each Unmade is related? Unmade Ashertmarn - ?Ba-Ado-Mishram - ?Chemoarish - ?Dai-Gonarthis - ?Moelach - Truthwatchers. Pretty sure about this one because of the ability to see the future.Nergaoul - ?Re-Shephir - ?Sja-anat - Lightweavers. Her name (Taker of Secrets), strange shadows in mirrors (just like the 2 Cryptics we've seen) and Cryptics like lies (you could see corrupted spren as 'lies').Yelig-nar - ? Further I think that the Skybreaker related Unmade, and maybe also the Windrunner related, is one of the mindless Unmade because these orders also follow something else and don't decide for themselves what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmikey357 he/him Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 I would put Re-Shepir with Lightweavers based on Shallan's confrontation with it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 The WoB itself says its not a one-to-one. This could mean that this task isn't really feasible, or that each Unmade applies to multiple orders. There is definitely an affinity between Lightweavers and Re-Shephir by what we've been shown... But beyond that I have no guesses. We know very little about most of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angsos Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 Elsecallers might be BAM since she's called high princess and she did figure out connection. Maybe Ashertman is Lift's personal unmade since he's hedenistic and she hasn't met food she didn't like 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyndlerunner he/him Posted August 24, 2018 Report Share Posted August 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Angsos said: Elsecallers might be BAM since she's called high princess and she did figure out connection. Maybe Ashertman is Lift's personal unmade since he's hedenistic and she hasn't met food she didn't like Mine eyes are opened! You have done me a great service. I'm going to say Nergaoul for the Windrunners. Senseless violence is a perfect counterpoint to the protection that the Windrunners espouse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slimy_Slider Posted August 24, 2018 Report Share Posted August 24, 2018 Purely on the name, I'm gonna suggest Chemoarish, the Dustmother, might be somehow connected to the Dustbringers. Maybe that's why they preferred to be called Releasers. I've seen this idea suggested before and I like the theory that Ashertmarn could be an inverse of the Skybreakers, pleasure and emotion before all discipline to their total adherence to codes and lack of empathy. At least, the current Skybreakers and their leader are having some issues with that right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelly Posted August 24, 2018 Report Share Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) Mmmm if there is correspondence, what happens if the Unmade represent the opposite of the order. Ashertmarn, who's all about hedonism/overwhelming sensation, might be the polar of the Elsecallers considering how logical/cold Jasnah can be and how Ink refers to her (in a good light) as having the emotions of stone. So Edgedancers, who are all about healing/frictionless might be the polar of Nergaoul who embodies competition/winning/violence. Honestly they all kinda seem like a stretch though. Edited August 24, 2018 by Zellyia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurin he/him Posted August 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2018 That could surely be @Zellyia, and I like that idea, but even then you have to keep in mind that they at least need to have something in common, although it can be a little bit twisted. When you compare it to hot and cold: these are opposites, but both express temperature. They are opposites, but to be the opposite of something, you need to share at least one attribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scion of the Mists Posted August 24, 2018 Report Share Posted August 24, 2018 14 hours ago, Angsos said: Elsecallers might be BAM since she's called high princess and she did figure out connection. Maybe Ashertman is Lift's personal unmade since he's hedenistic and she hasn't met food she didn't like This has nothing to do with the Unmade, I just wanted to share this WoB that there are apparently foods that Lift doesn't like. Now I desperately need to know what they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angsos Posted August 24, 2018 Report Share Posted August 24, 2018 One has to be tofu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoddessBeyond Posted August 24, 2018 Report Share Posted August 24, 2018 What fascinates me is that there IS a correlation. Why is there any connection between Unmade powers and Radiant abilities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvoraen Posted August 24, 2018 Report Share Posted August 24, 2018 33 minutes ago, TheGoddessBeyond said: What fascinates me is that there IS a correlation. Why is there any connection between Unmade powers and Radiant abilities? It probably has to do with the implication (from Jezrien) that the Heralds were responsible for the Unmade in some way, and the fact that Taln "wasn't meant to be a Herald" (per Ash), leaving us with the suspicious number of 9. That said, Ishar ended up being the "Bondsmith", yet the Unmade don't really correspond to the Bondsmiths, so there's an interesting discrepancy there with respect to the origin of the Heralds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurin he/him Posted August 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, TheGoddessBeyond said: What fascinates me is that there IS a correlation. Why is there any connection between Unmade powers and Radiant abilities? We don't know if there is any connection between Unmade powers and Radiant abilities. We only know that the Unmade themselves are related to a Radiant order. One has to think bigger than only powers and abilities to understand this correlation. Edited August 24, 2018 by Thurin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted August 24, 2018 Report Share Posted August 24, 2018 Eh. The Unmade are splinters, and the Orders exist mainly of people bound to splinters with specific surges, and those surges are naturally paired. Quote Khyrindor (paraphrased) Do the Honorblades reflect the natural pairing of Surges, or did Honor decide which Surge pair to put in each Blade? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) The pairs are natural to Roshar in the same way as the metals on Scadrial. source I think if the there truly is a correlation, it's going to be a matter of the Spren and surges over anything else to do with the Orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainier Posted August 24, 2018 Report Share Posted August 24, 2018 I went through this with regards to Heralds vs Unmade. It was a stretch, but I definitely liked some of the connections. I linked up the Bondsmiths (Ishtar), so it's probably not accurate, but take it for what you will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slimy_Slider Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 16 hours ago, Thurin said: When you compare it to hot and cold: these are opposites, but both express temperature. Mr Terry Pratchett would disagree with you on that point . 13 hours ago, Scion of the Mists said: This has nothing to do with the Unmade, I just wanted to share this WoB that there are apparently foods that Lift doesn't like. Now I desperately need to know what they are. She mentions in Edgedancer that there is a kind of Western animal (possibly Goat, Sheep or Cattle) that she didn't like the taste of. Also, the grain mash/paste thing that Stump gives her as part of the free meals she mentions she doesn't like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciridae Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) I think the only connection between the orders and unmade is that some of the unmade counter things central to what certain orders stand for. For example, windrunners and edgedancer are all about protecting and helping others, Nergaoul causes urges for indiscriminate violence. Stonewards and Elsecallers are known for their strong will and dispassionate logic respectively, Ashertmarn urges you to ignore logic, tries to force you to go against your better judgementand and give in to your base instincts. The others might be a little different, and assume other roles necessary in warfare. I'm still convinced Sja-anat used to be a spymaster. Based on what the sleepless said in the Kaza interlude, about some things being able to pry secrets from a soul even after death, I think that Moelach is also collecting information, and death rattles are a side effect of that. Edited August 25, 2018 by Ciridae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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