Aluminum cancelling Emotional Alomancy

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

If someone were to use powerful soothing and or Rioting to take control of an Inquisitor, but the Inqusitor burned Aluminum, would that Aluminum cancel out the Riot/Sooth?

 

Let's Ignore the whole, If heruns out of Metals, he goes blind, he dies, ect.

EDIT: Above sentance made no sense.

Edited April 3, 2014 by The Only Joe

[Observer]

I don't think so. The metal itself is stated to do weird things to Investure, but I don't think that burning it would produce those same effects, though I won't deny the possibility.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Well, when you sooth or Riot someone, you're Convincing their Spiritweb to change it Subtle ways. You're kind of investing in them. When you burn Aluminum, the Investiture in Metals disappear, I think this might include the Investiture that others have invested in you.

[Observer]

Honestly I always felt that it was a cognitive influence, something that Aluminum wouldn't be able to touch properly.

[PorridgeBrick he/him]

DOUGLAS

What benefit does an aluminum savant get? Yes, I know this would normally never happen because aluminum burns itself up. Suppose a mad scientist with a willing Mistborn test subject shoved a feeding tube down the Mistborn's throat to pump in a continuous stream of aluminum, replenishing it steadily so there's always a new unburned supply. Add another tube to pump out excess water if necessary. What would he discover? Alternatively, what would Sazed with his Shard-granted knowledge know?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Ha, that IS a little silly of a method. However, on the extreme end of aluminum, I have in the notes the possibility of cleansing the spirit of unwanted effects of other investitures. You'd get really good at this, and maybe even be able to cleanse the body of other impurities.

So theoretically possible, but you would probably need to multi-spike Aluminum to be powerful enough to do it.

[Haradion Drogon]

Perhaps you could heal yourself of Investiture damage?

Say Hemalurgy (Sp?) stole your ability to burn Steel, but didn't kill you outright?

 

By Burning enough Aluminium, one could repair that damage, and regain the ability?

 

Alternatively, since Investiture seems to require "Cracks" in the Soul, to be filled with Something else - eg, the Nahl, bond, perhaps burning Aluminium might sever that bond?

 

This might be useful if you were unwilling, for example Ruin's influence, or an Odium spren, bonding without consent?

 

Perhaps it might repair the Spiritweb in someway?

 

I don't know if we have seen any magic systems where that is useful... I have heard rumours of an unpublished Magic System, involving diseases. Alluminium - if you could burn it - might cure you of one of those? I am not sure...

 

Chromium sounds much more useful - and is a reason why I would be a Leacher Misiting.

[Observer]

I doubt that you could regrow any lost Spiritweb stuff, since Aluminum is a cleaner, not a fixer. Maybe it could cut into a Ruin infestation, but I imagine it would do it quicker by dissolving the spike.

[Green Hoodie Mistborn he/him]

There is a mention in AoL of

aluminum hats!

which would block emotional allomancy. 

[thecatinthehat]

There is a mention in AoL of

aluminum hats!

which would block emotional allomancy.

Duh! Everybody knows that. We're speaking of Allomantic aluminum having that effect. Edited April 4, 2014 by mdmilosz

[Vortaan he/him]

I fail to see how this would be useful though. Let's say you take over an Inquisitor with Soothing or whatever, and he uses aluminum to cleanse the influence. Now he's got no metals, which means first off he's blind (no steel lines), he's got no reserves... and you can still take control again because hey, you're not the one who got rid of your reserves.

 

I suspect this would be more useful for actual Aluminum gnats, but I have trouble seeing how, since burning aluminum once gets rid of your reserve, and aluminum is pretty rare... yeah. I don't know. Overall probably not a great technique.

[PorridgeBrick he/him]

It might be useful if the other person doesn't realize what's happened. After all, Soothing/Rioting doesn't provide any feedback normally, so I don't think you could really tell if they were cleansed of your influence. If you're fast enough, you might be able to take advantage of that.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

I did say in my first post, Let's Ignore the Whole, if he runs out of metal he goes blind, he dies, Ect.

 

In the Story i'm writing, What Porridge said happens, so I wanted to know if it would work.

[the Gleeman he/him]

It would make sense for aluminum burning  granting the same effects as burning copper or bronze. It would grant an aluminum gnat the ability to cut off a soother/rioter's effects. 

[Vortaan he/him]

I did say in my first post, Let's Ignore the Whole, if he runs out of metal he goes blind, he dies, Ect.

 

In the Story i'm writing, What Porridge said happens, so I wanted to know if it would work.

 

Why would you ignore the major effects of aluminum in this situation? I mean... burning it for a secondary effect when the primary one is so awful seems a bit... not great. Also, I suspect that an Inquisitor wouldn't have the self-control to burn anything that the person controlling them didn't let them burn, similar to Marsh's inability to move even a finger on his own if Ruin didn't want him to. The control granted by the flaw seems pretty total.

[MistLord he/him]

I would imagine it would cleanse it so long as it's burning (so while possible, isn't useful)

[Vortaan he/him]

I would imagine it would cleanse it so long as it's burning (so while possible, isn't useful)

 

But burning aluminum isn't a "hey, I'll burn this awhile" thing. When Vin does it, it instantly gets rid of ALL her reserves, including aluminum. I doubt you could keep a burn of it going, since when you first started it'd kill your reserve.

[Curiosity he/him]

I would contend that since Aluminum is internal, that there wouldn't be any affect on the emotional allomancy (an external effect). Add to that the fact that aluminum acts in one big burst, and the Soothing/Rioting is happening continuously. 

[Swimmingly he/him]

If there's some way to store the allomantic effect feruchemically, though - if you could burn aluminum and store it in a metalmind without giving it a chance to cleanse your Investiture - you could do a controlled release of the cleansing effect.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

I would contend that since Aluminum is internal, that there wouldn't be any affect on the emotional allomancy (an external effect). Add to that the fact that aluminum acts in one big burst, and the Soothing/Rioting is happening continuously. 

But your Emotions are Internal. So if you Burned Aluminum. For a second or two, your emotions should revert back to default. THis will at least tell you that you're being manipulated.

[Curiosity he/him]

But your Emotions are Internal. So if you Burned Aluminum. For a second or two, your emotions should revert back to default. THis will at least tell you that you're being manipulated.

 

I was referring to the specific situation where the target is an Inquisitor, so the allomancer would be pushing constantly on the targets emotions, and therefore, the Inquisitor would be overtaken fairly quickly. Again.

 

Edit: Again. 

Edited May 14, 2014 by Curiosity

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Yes, that makes sense. At the very least, the Soother/rioter/mistfather would know they lost their Inquisiotr.

[Glaring at the Survivor he/him]

Since aluminum would destroy itself, why not "protect" yourself with a friend's Nicrosil? Their metal wouldn't run out, so it could keep burning and affecting you...

Edited May 14, 2014 by Stroniax

[PorridgeBrick he/him]

Since aluminum would destroy itself, why not "protect" yourself with a friend's Nicrosil? Their metal wouldn't run out, so it could keep burning and affecting you...

You mean chromium. Nicrosil just flares things, while Chromium leeches– it's the external version of Aluminum.