Unlicensed Hemalurgist Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 Time for a speculation thread! Ignore for a moment the financial implications of having that much atium on hand. Let's imagine that there was someone, either a Mistborn or a Seer, who had burned enough atium to warp their spiritual aspect and become a savant. What sorts of things could they do with atium that normal burners could not? I imagine they'd be able to extend the length of the atium shadows they saw far into the future. But presumably prolonged exposure to that much concentrated power of a Shard might have additional unexpected effects. And I'm almost positive that one drawback of atium savantism would be an increased suceptibility to Ruin or another Shard's influence. Are godmetal savants even possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalaDANG Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 (edited) Quote DOUGLAS What about a Lerasium savant? Or would that require so much Lerasium that the person attempting it would ascend to become a new Shardholder? BRANDON SANDERSON Basically, this is what ascension is. The amount of god metal/essence consumption required to become a savant would make you ascend. So yeah, I guess you could say becoming a savant in Atium or Lerasium would leave you completely under control of the intent of the shard eventually. Edited August 9, 2018 by KalaDANG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, KalaDANG said: The amount of god metal/essence consumption required to become a savant would make you ascend. So yeah, I guess you could say becoming a savant in Atium or Lerasium would leave you completely under control of the intent of the shard eventually. That is because of the connection to Preservation that lerasium causes. We have nothing saying atium would do the same. I think an atium savant would have some very weird mental issues personally, that would make normal life... Difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalaDANG Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 Hmmm. I must have made some false assumptions on how god essence works then. Darn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlicensed Hemalurgist Posted August 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, Calderis said: I think an atium savant would have some very weird mental issues personally, that would make normal life... Difficult. Oh, they'd almost certainly be insane. But very, VERY good at killing. I wonder if an atium savant would be able to counter the effects of electrum to a degree, sort of like how a sufficiently strong Seeker can pierce copperclouds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Unlicensed Hemalurgist said: I wonder if an atium savant would be able to counter the effects of electrum to a degree, sort of like how a sufficiently strong Seeker can pierce copperclouds? Maybe. I feel like the mental aspect of atium, enhanced by Savantism, might be able to help determine which of the outcomes is more likely when the shadows split apart. I think the problem would be when not burning... And with atium that would be most of the time. Tin deadened the things that it enhanced in Spook when he wasn't burning. So an atium savant without atium seems like they would have difficulty gaging the way everything in the world functions. On an instinctive level we process a lot of information based of movement that tells us what exactly is about to happen. That ability is what I think would suffer. Edited August 9, 2018 by Calderis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlicensed Hemalurgist Posted August 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 (edited) So, something like an extreme difficulty gauging cause-and-effect? Or an inability to consider the future at all? EDIT: Also, turns out there is a WoB on atium savantism out there. Questioner What's the effects of being an atium savant? Brandon Sanderson Hehehe. No one has found out. source Edited August 10, 2018 by Unlicensed Hemalurgist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goody153 Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 The WoB from above suggests that maybe not even Rashek is an atium savant ? (Maybe he is but he never said what's up with being one) So neither Marsh or Elend(who both consumed so many atium in their lives) are close to savantism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmnsquirtle Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 8 hours ago, goody153 said: The WoB from above suggests that maybe not even Rashek is an atium savant ? (Maybe he is but he never said what's up with being one) So neither Marsh or Elend(who both consumed so many atium in their lives) are close to savantism. I doubt rashek would be, since he likely burned most of his atium to compound age instead of burning it for it's time dilation effect, and we know that feruchemical savantism isn't really a thing. There was actually a whole post that touched on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlicensed Hemalurgist Posted August 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) 20 hours ago, goody153 said: The WoB from above suggests that maybe not even Rashek is an atium savant ? (Maybe he is but he never said what's up with being one) So neither Marsh or Elend(who both consumed so many atium in their lives) are close to savantism. Marsh gained his atium allomancy through Hemalurgy after Ruin's release, and probably didn't have enough atium to achieve savantism in the year between then and the Catacendre. Elend burned more atium in one sitting than probably anyone in history, but was killed almost immediately afterwards. He may have been close to savantism, but we'll never know for sure. So it makes sense that neither Marsh nor Elend were atium savants. Edited August 11, 2018 by Unlicensed Hemalurgist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goody153 Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 I'll just assume that if a Electrum savant is likely a looney. Atium savant is probably much much more a looney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elandera Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 I've been thinking about this recently, rereading Mistborn Era 1. My thoughts were somewhere along the lines that if Tin Savants have hyper-sensitive senses, and Pewter Savants have incredible healing, Atium Savants might be able to see further into the future or process those futures better than others. Say an Atium Savant went against someone simply burning Atium, the Savant would likely still have the advantage in processing the more likely futures. This, of course, doesn't take into account the fact atium is a god metal of ruin. However, I agree, they'd probably be crazy. Becoming an Atium Savant would require constant burning of the metal, constantly seeing the future of everything. That can't be healthy for one's sanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrand_Antharo Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 personally I think that an Atium savant would be able to see a few hours into the future of everything in their perception, but they would lose all memory of the past i.e. when burning atium they would be like a limited version of the Cthaeh from the kingkiller chronicle but when not burning they would have severe alzheimer's. Also they would never remember the past or things outside their perception and would have to infer such information from their view of the future. I think this fits with the idea of savants, great power with a related downside that makes not being a savant preferable, in most situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlicensed Hemalurgist Posted September 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 I wonder if an Atium savant would be able to use atium more efficiently than a regular Allomancer. Not so much extending the burn time of their atium, but getting more power out of smaller amounts of atium. The atium shadows stretch out longer, so they don't have to burn as much atium to get the same effect? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitBitio Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 (edited) We have WoB confirmation that if you were to become a Lerasium savant you would Ascend to become Preservation. I'm assuming the same goes for atium. Savant of godmetal=Ascension Edit: WoB 177 DOUGLAS What about a Lerasium savant? Or would that require so much Lerasium that the person attempting it would ascend to become a new Shardholder? BRANDON SANDERSON Basically, this is what ascension is. TAGS lerasium , savantism , ascension , shards Edited September 25, 2018 by BitBitio Added WoB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 Atium does not inherently create a Connection to ruin altering your spiritweb. I don't think that godmetal savant = ascension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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