mycoltbug Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 So Fantasy Faction posted a thread on there forum and twitter feed today about you good friend Kelsier. They want to know who would win and why. Post your thoughts here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darniil Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 As much as I dig Kel, I'd have to say Magneto would win. As one of the comments there said, all Maggie would have to do is rip the metals out of Kelsier's stomach. Which he could do pretty easily, if you compare what he did to Wolverine. Now, here comes an important question, though: is allomantic pewter ferrous? If it's not, there's a chance Magneto might not be able to manipulate it, which would help Kelsier out a bit. He could heal the damage done when the iron, steel, etc. was ripped out of him, and make him physically stronger, to boot. However, Magneto isn't limited to Pushing and Pulling, and even though Kel wouldn't be wearing any metal for Magneto to manipulate, he'd still probably have a bag of coins. And if all else failed, he'd just rip the spires from Kredik Shaw and start throwing those around. (Didn't want to register an account just to answer one thread, so I figured I'd leave my two cents here.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycoltbug Posted August 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 I'm assuming since invested items can't be pushed or pulled with allomantic powers or that other allomancers can't pull metals out of other allomancers that you can't manipulate allomantic metals. Which would significantly take away some of magnetos powers. Atium+non-metallic knife=dead Magneto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darniil Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 That's a big assumption, though. But Vin's fight with TLR showed us that, with sufficient force, metals "in" (read: piercing) the body can be manipulated allomantically (despite what Kelsier thought). Marsh even showed us that Inquisitors can see the iron in people's blood, which is invisible to all other Coinshots and Lurchers. Because of this, I'd be willing to bet that a sufficiently strong Mistborn burning duralumin along with iron could rip metals out of another allomancer's stomach. To me, that still leaves Magneto in the lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silus - Shard of Flame Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 What if he went completely metalless? He's got some hard training under his belt, would he be able to take Magneto on in hand to hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asha'man Logain Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 As much as I dig Kel, I'd have to say Magneto would win. As one of the comments there said, all Maggie would have to do is rip the metals out of Kelsier's stomach. Which he could do pretty easily, if you compare what he did to Wolverine. Now, here comes an important question, though: is allomantic pewter ferrous? If it's not, there's a chance Magneto might not be able to manipulate it, which would help Kelsier out a bit. He could heal the damage done when the iron, steel, etc. was ripped out of him, and make him physically stronger, to boot. However, Magneto isn't limited to Pushing and Pulling, and even though Kel wouldn't be wearing any metal for Magneto to manipulate, he'd still probably have a bag of coins. And if all else failed, he'd just rip the spires from Kredik Shaw and start throwing those around. (Didn't want to register an account just to answer one thread, so I figured I'd leave my two cents here.) No. Magneto can manipulate the entire elctromagnetic spectrum. His sheild, for instance is a form of energy not just a magnetic field. Fot instance it can stop cyclops' optic blast among the other energy weapons the humans used. Plus if nothing else magneto could manipulate the steel and iron inside Kel, and Kel cannot heal himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darniil Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 No. Magneto can manipulate the entire elctromagnetic spectrum. Wait, seriously? Geez, that's what I get for not reading any Marvel comics since Age of Apocalypse. ; If he can manipulate the entire EM spectrum, he's practically a god. Screw metals. He could just cook Kelsier with microwaves or kill him with x-rays/gamma rays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe ST Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Wait, seriously? Geez, that's what I get for not reading any Marvel comics since Age of Apocalypse. ; If he can manipulate the entire EM spectrum, he's practically a god. Screw metals. He could just cook Kelsier with microwaves or kill him with x-rays/gamma rays. or just blind him, or deprive him of light... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asha'man Logain Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Wait, seriously? Geez, that's what I get for not reading any Marvel comics since Age of Apocalypse. ; If he can manipulate the entire EM spectrum, he's practically a god. Screw metals. He could just cook Kelsier with microwaves or kill him with x-rays/gamma rays. Yeah, I've decided that if i could have anyone's superpowers it'd be Magneto. He's my second favorite after wolverine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBobs Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Yeah Magneto is in a whole different league. I love Kel as a character... but no. Whether metals were available to Magneto or not wouldn't be relevant to the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyman Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 No. Magneto can manipulate the entire elctromagnetic spectrum. His sheild, for instance is a form of energy not just a magnetic field. Fot instance it can stop cyclops' optic blast among the other energy weapons the humans used. Plus if nothing else magneto could manipulate the steel and iron inside Kel, and Kel cannot heal himself. Power creep, much? Of course, Superheros (and their villans) seems to suffer from it regularly. Ah well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asha'man Logain Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Power creep, much? Of course, Superheros (and their villans) seems to suffer from it regularly. Ah well. yeah, but it's soo darn COOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silus - Shard of Flame Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 How has Magneto not conquered the world yet, with a power like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprouts Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 (edited) How has Magneto not conquered the world yet, with a power like that? Not for sure here, as I haven't read any Marvel comics, but I'd assume it's the X-men that have prevented him from conquering the world. Right? Seems logical to me at least. Edited August 28, 2011 by Storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOM1else Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Magneto would dominate Kelsier in a battle between the two, not that I would be supporting him but he is just so extremely over powered in his abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sazed Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Never fear, I may be able to assist The Survivor a bit. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darniil Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Well, yeah, if Magneto gets pulled into the cosmere, but what if Kelsier gets pulled into the Marvel Universe? Can the Shards of Adonalsium operate outside the cosmere? o.O (Also: well-played. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyman Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 yeah, but it's soo darn COOL! Cool but unrealistic. I never did like the "Mutants as a persecuted minority" bit. It makes no sense. In the real world, if people with such abilities really existed, they would de facto rule the world. Too many people would be willing to overlook their "freakishness" for personal gain, and even more would willingly give a mutant power over them in exchange for protection. Real discrimination would flow the other direction, and far more freely, and with far more justification. I like Mistborn's version better: The power they Mistborn and Mistings have, even as it is more limited, is much more real in terms of how people use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darniil Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 In the real world, if people with such abilities really existed, they would de facto rule the world. Too many people would be willing to overlook their "freakishness" for personal gain, and even more would willingly give a mutant power over them in exchange for protection. Real discrimination would flow the other direction, and far more freely, and with far more justification. Much like in White Wolf's Aberrant RPG. <3 my Aberrant character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eerongal Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Yeah, magneto would win hands down. He is way overpowered. Also, in regards to metals being ferrous and non-ferrous, magneto can manipulate both. He's also used his power to manipulate gravity and generate wormholes before. Also, he somehow is able to channel his energy into his own body that makes him more powerful, more durable, and faster than the average human. He's seriously overpowered. No contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inkthinker Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) Even if we go with old-school, ferrous-metals-only Magneto, I think he wins. Though... atium might throw a wrench in there. If it's Kelsier with a full belly of all the known metals, he's got some chances. Even better odds if he can set the stage somewhere that's short of ferrous metals, like out in the wastelands. Then Kelsier has the advantages of pewter and atium. Heck, maybe even bendalloy (though that's technically cheating, since bendalloy is meant to be unknown in the Final Empire). But basically you need a low-power Maggy and a full-power Kelsier just to make the match interesting. Edited August 31, 2011 by Inkthinker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBobs Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Well to be fair when Stan Lee created Magneto I'm not sure he realized what he was creating when he 'just' gave him power over electromagnetism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOM1else Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Who made the Sazed account? I'd be willing to guess that it was someone that made a second account just for this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sazed Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Untrue! I just happened to join a few days ago, but I have never been a large quantity poster. This one was just more of a goof that fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asha'man Logain Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Well to be fair when Stan Lee created Magneto I'm not sure he realized what he was creating when he 'just' gave him power over electromagnetism That's my bet as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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