Did Honor break his word? Could he fight his intent?

[KalaDANG]

I've been thinking about how the shards agreed and made a pact to stay away from each other. How was Honor able to fight against his shardic intent and stay on the same planet as Cultivation? That would be going against the agreement. Are we supposed to assume that the shard didn't view the agreement as binding? Or do we assume that he went there with Cultivation straight off, before the intent of the shard took control? If that's the case, do we also have to assume that the intent eventually took control, but at that point Honor was too heavily invested in the planet to leave? I feel like in that case, Honor might have been driven to try to destroy the planet in order to escape, Ruin style. I'm just confused in general. Help?

[Calderis]

3 minutes ago, goody153 said:

Preservation broke his promise with Ruin. In my impression Ruin saw it as a betrayal of trust that he didn't think Preservation(Leras) would actually betray him.

According to Leras in SH, he didn't though. 

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“Oh, Senna . . .” Preservation whispered. “I’m losing this place. Losing them all . . .”

  “We are going to stop it,” Kelsier said, pulling back.

  “It can’t be stopped. The deal . . .”

  “Deals can be broken.”

  “Not these kinds of deals, Kelsier. I was able to trick Ruin before, lock him away, by fooling him with our agreement. But that wasn’t a breach of contract, more leaving a hole in the agreement to be exploited. This time there are no holes.”

He abided by the agreement, just not what Ruin believed he had agreed to. 

And that exchange, along with some spoiler things, are why I believe that all shards can be bound by their word. 

[Calderis]

None if them can break their word. 

The only way that the pact makes sense is if it was made before they ascended. 

[goody153]

Can none of them really break their word ? I always found Stormlight Archives weird as why Odium can't apparently break his word(he could be a lying crembag that has a really complicated situation why he can't)

Preservation broke his promise with Ruin. In my impression Ruin saw it as a betrayal of trust that he didn't think Preservation(Leras) would actually betray him.

Is it possible that lying and breaking oaths are really just a thing for Shards with intent that is more "human morality" compared to Shards with more "nature" intent ? Cause it would make sense why Preservation could break a promise to Ruin and why Odium could not to Honor. 

Then we also that if assuming the vessels did make the promise post-ascension with a bunch of them cohabiting together(Devotion and Dominion, Ruin and Preservation, Honor and Cultivation).

[goody153]

Interesting. They can't break certain "agreements", they can lie, manipulate, delay but not break agreement between shards.

Or that could also be just Leras showcasing hopelessness and sense of inevitability i mean in the book he literally said that he thinks Ruin could be right about everything needing to end(which in hindsight is so wrong since he's preservation the literal opposite of Ruin) but that's just me putting other possibilities about it. Until Sanderson says so i think i can consider that possibility.

Edited August 1, 2018 by goody153

[KalaDANG]

I’m confused then. Wouldn’t Honor still want to abide by the agreement he made with the others? I feel like he would have still tried to honor it.

[Weltall]

3 hours ago, KalaDANG said:

I’m confused then. Wouldn’t Honor still want to abide by the agreement he made with the others? I feel like he would have still tried to honor it.

Vessels aren't bound to their Intents immediately so even if Honor compelled Tanavast in that way, it would have been something he could have resisted until after he and Cultivation were on Roshar and it was too late to make a difference. Also, it's possible that he had some pre-Shattering understanding with Cultivation that would have superceded any other promise made among the Vessels; this is quite likely as we know they were lovers.

But yeah, I'm with Calderis in that whatever agreement the Vessels made to stay out of each other's way, it must have been made before they Ascended. There's no way we could get three dishardic planets if they all promised to split up after the Shattering.

[Calderis]

10 hours ago, KalaDANG said:

I’m confused then. Wouldn’t Honor still want to abide by the agreement he made with the others? I feel like he would have still tried to honor it.

In addition to what @Weltall said, we have confirmation that Tanavast and Cultivation's Vessel were lovers. If they were married and have an equivalent oath as "to death do us part" you have conflicting preexisting oaths.

Tanavast and (insert her name when we learn it) could have made the pact fully intending to go their separate ways from the others and stay together. As with Leras agreement and the "loophole" what they meant when they agreed does not have to be what the others thought. 

[Quantus]

Ya, I could see a pre-existing Marriage pact being enough of a loophole to appease the Honor Intent, especially depending on the specific terms and reasoning behind the initial pact.