Can Surgebinding be sensed, even by those who aren't Surgebinders?

[KalaDANG he/him]

It's basically just the question above. I'm re reading WoR, and there has been a couple things that make me think that Surgebinding and the Nahel bond can be sensed by others, even if they aren't necessarily Surgebinders. I'm thinking it's probably most similar to how each person on Nalthis has a breath, and how it allows for the feeling of knowing someone is watching you or behind you and such. At several different points in the book, Adolin expresses his distrust of Kaladin, because "Something seems off about that man". Kaladin almost word for word says the exact same thing about Shallan. Hoid seems to sense that Shallan is a Lightweaver in her flashback chapters. Can something about the Nahel bond be sensed that way?

[Nathrangking he/him]

I don't know about either the Kaladin or Adolin thing , but Hoid I believe burned Bronze. There is a WoB that bronze can detect any type of investiture.

[goody153]

Apparently bronze can detect other magic being used. And there are other similar too

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Questioner

Is there a way to tell between different Investitures?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes. 

Questioner

For each Shard.

Brandon Sanderson

Oh, for each Shard? Each Shard-- Most of the magics have built into them that ability, but I wouldn't say that everyone does. I am trying to remember if they all do... I lot of them have a power that would allow you to do that, but I don't know if every one of them does.

Questioner

No, I mean that, in the ones that do have [this ability], they can tell the difference between each one.

Brandon Sanderson

If you were really good at burning bronze, you could use bronze to distinguish between different types of Investiture from different planets even. And that sort of skill does exist in other magic systems.

Argent

Is it like a wavelength kind of thing?

Brandon Sanderson

Yea, that's exactly what it is.

Footnote: It looks like Brandon misinterpreted the original question but eventually answered it, after a clarification.
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LazarusRises

Can a Seeker burning bronze detect a Surgebinder using Stormlight? Do different Surges have different pulses?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes, and yes. Good questions.

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But a surgebinder detecting another surgebinder ? Idk 

What i'm sure is that their spren(maybe just the honorspren?) can detect surgebinding and can even detect the difference of the surgebinding between honorblades/shardblade as Syl has done so at the end of Words of Radiance. 

So the spren could just tell his surgebinder that somebody is using stormlight

Edited July 24, 2018 by goody153

[CrazyRioter she/her]

Another cool fact about Bronze allomancy.

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Aethenoth

Can an Allomantic bronze burner hear the Rhythms on Roshar?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes, this is possible.

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[goody153]

Bronze turned from a really boring ability to something that can be written interestingly in a few WoB.

[Dunkum he/him]

3 hours ago, goody153 said:

Bronze turned from a really boring ability to something that can be written interestingly in a few WoB.

now just consider whther copper extends to other magic systems the same way bronze does

 

As other have noted Bronze Allomancy can detect surgebinding.  it may also be possible to detect it somewhat with the enhanced lifesense from having a lot of breaths.  you can also use the sands from white sand: uncharged sand will absorb pretty much any kind of investiture nearby, so if your sands turn from black to white, it means there is something going on.  the Aon Dar almost certainly has an aon that can do this as well.

[Calderis he/him]

12 minutes ago, Dunkum said:

now just consider whther copper extends to other magic systems the same way bronze does

It does. 

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Could a Soother prevent a listener from attuning a given rhythm?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

No. A coppercloud could, but I hadn't thought about emotional allomancy interacting. See, the rhythm isn't your emotion and doesn't determine your mood. It is a direct connection to the spiritual realm. So I guess soothing could make it harder just like it makes anything harder, in the same way that driving a car would be harder. [recording starts here] And so, for the same reasons that you can, um, it is possible that a coppercloud can play with it. Not a normal power of a coppercloud, but you’ve seen them do stuff similar.

Footnote: Question was cut off in recording, first bit reproduced from memory
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[Dunkum he/him]

7 hours ago, Calderis said:

It does. 

 

not surprised, though I'd love to see a more extensive breakdown on the kinds of things that it would be able to stop. and what would be harder vs easier, and what would pobably require some hemalurgic or ferruchemic enhancement to stop etc.

[Quantus he/him]

36 minutes ago, Dunkum said:

not surprised, though I'd love to see a more extensive breakdown on the kinds of things that it would be able to stop. and what would be harder vs easier, and what would pobably require some hemalurgic or ferruchemic enhancement to stop etc.

Well, as one detail we know it's about Kinetic Investiture, so just possessing Stormlight or Breathes alone doesnt do it, but an active surge or I Awakening (I think) would.  Im curious if a properly informed Lightweaver could mask or disguise that sense, or are they limited to Sight&Sound alone. 

[Jakkobz he/him]

Aviars can do the same that coppercloud could,  by the way.

[Journey Before Pancakes]

The Adolin  and Kaladin mistrust is probably because Shallan and Kaladin are keeping secrets, not because of their surgebinding specifically.