akasketch he/him Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) The title says it all. I was reading tWoK, and I showed it to my friend (a recent Brandon Sanderson Convert), who wondered what surgebinder she would be, which started an argument as to whether she was more loving or protecting. It ended up in a tie, which got us wondering if two surgebinding powers were possible. I realize that Dual-wielding Honorblades would be the easiest way to achieve such and effect, but would it be possible if one caught the attention of two spren by continuingly acting out two of the base traits simultaneously? Edited March 27, 2014 by akasketch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurkistan he/him Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Source: Q: Is it true that humans can bond to multiple spren?A: They can theoretically bond to multiple spren. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesomeness Summoned he/him Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) While it's possible, the conflicting ideals you'd have to live by to sustain them would be extremely difficult. Orders that share a surge might have close enough ideals to make it plausible but in that case you'd only be adding one more surge to the mix. Plus, the spren chooses the person, not the other way around. You'd have to live by a set of principles that managed to attract spren from two different orders which seems unlikely. Edited March 27, 2014 by Awesomeness Summoned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armless writer he/him Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Also I'm pretty sure brandon said each order has only one type of spren that knight can bond to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepene he/him Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) It shouldn't be too hard to find a set that you could combine. WOR spoilers. Suppose Dalinar wanted all the powers to himself. Would he have broken any oaths yet? “I will protect those who cannot protect themselves.” He has done that. Kaladin, his men etc. “I will protect even those I hate, so long as it is right.” He has also done that. Protected even bad people. “I will put the law before all else.” He has done that. To the point of annoying people. “I will remember those who have been forgotten.” You might think him forgetting his wife would be this, but it wouldn't. Everyone else remembers her. The obvious context of the oath is that you remember people who have been forgotten by society. Dalinar has totally done this with the bridgemen. “I will unite instead of divide. I will bring men together.” Done already. I am sure he can find some truths to speak for the lightweavers. Then he just needs to love adventure and oddities to attract an elsecaller spren and he will then have all ten surges. He likes Wit, he can start being a bit more odd. Edited March 27, 2014 by Nepene 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 ... Those oaths are all WoR spoilers though; better tag them as such. It's natural to have similarities between second to fifth ideal between Orders as they are all supposed to uphold to the first one every KR share. But don't forget one's personality effects which Order they belong to. Syl was pretty clear on the contradictions between right and lawful. It was never stated one can be in more than one Order and just because the opposite wasn't stated as well, you can't claim it's likely to belong to more than one Order. Bondsmiths were pretty closed and had up to three members; Truthwatchers were so secretive it'd be impossible to fit in (most) other Orders and so on. As Kurkistan quoted WoB, it's possible, but the questions was about bonding in general and not Nahel bond in particular. That being said, I think it's possible other kinds of bonds exist between humans and spren, so one could bond a spren in a different way. Why bother calling it 'Nahel bond' if it's the only bond that can exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly he/him Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Because Nahel discovered or created it? I think it's only called that, in-universe, in scholarly texts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Because Nahel discovered or created it? I think it's only called that, in-universe, in scholarly texts. Was it ever mentioned or do you assume there was someone called Nahel who named it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akasketch he/him Posted March 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Well, I didn't expect this to get so many replies so stinkin' fast! It shouldn't be too hard to find a set that you could combine. Suppose Dalinar wanted all the powers to himself. Would he have broken any oaths yet? ... I am sure he can find some truths to speak for the lightweavers. Then he just needs to love adventure and oddities to attract an elsecaller spren and he will then have all ten surges. He likes Wit, he can start being a bit more odd. This was about the same line that I was thinking on, just not so specific. Those oaths are all WoR spoilers though; better tag them as such. It's natural to have similarities between second to fifth ideal between Orders as they are all supposed to uphold to the first one every KR share. But don't forget one's personality effects which Order they belong to. Syl was pretty clear on the contradictions between right and lawful. It was never stated one can be in more than one Order and just because the opposite wasn't stated as well, you can't claim it's likely to belong to more than one Order. Bondsmiths were pretty closed and had up to three members; Truthwatchers were so secretive it'd be impossible to fit in (most) other Orders and so on. As Kurkistan quoted WoB, it's possible, but the questions was about bonding in general and not Nahel bond in particular. That being said, I think it's possible other kinds of bonds exist between humans and spren, so one could bond a spren in a different way. Why bother calling it 'Nahel bond' if it's the only bond that can exist? Completely agree, and on all counts. One thing I should probably mention: I have NOT finished WoK yet! I just like looking at the magic systems of books I'm reading before I've finished them, as I find them immensely interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shard of Choice he/him Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 It seems to me that if we are talking Nahel bonding then it may not necessarily be as simple as shared surge orders, for example the Skybreakers and the Windrunners share gravitation but there are direct mentions of their conflict in Words of Radiance, as well as the obvious dichotomy Syl made by saying "The law doesn't matter, what's right matters"However I think it is too early to say whether or not holding to the oaths of multiple orders would be difficult, as we simply do not know more than a small fraction of the oaths. I honestly cannot wait to see the Dustbringer oaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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