Steeldancer he/him Posted June 12, 2018 Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 So, Dalinar sees visions and hears voices no one else does. "Unite them" is being said in his head throughout the entire series, and he sees the vision of warmth at the end of WoR that is unexplained, and the vision of nohadon, although I think that one might have had more to do with his head than the spiritual realm. And that is what I think it is- the spiritual realm. In Roshar, we see all sorts of examples of various things in the spiritual realm affecting people- the thrill, the rhythms, the screams in Szeths and Dalinar's head. The voice that says "unite them" and the strange vision of warmth isn't the Stormfather. "Unite them" is something happening even before Dalinar bonds the stormfather, so it appears to be something related to Honor. So here's my thoughts. I think Unity is like... mini-Honor. Not the whole shard. But a significant piece of it. I also don't think Dalinar is directly Unity. I think it's the stormfather being the cognitive shadow of Honor, and starting to.... tap into that spirit web? That somehow the bond between Dalinar and Stormfather, because it is making the Stormfather more intelligent, is making them both more like Honor? This idea is sort of just starting to form in my head, so don't freak out too much. The warmth, I'm almost 100% that's Dalinar seeing a direct spiritual realm thing. I don't think its a particular being or anything. It's because Dalinar is drawing close to the spiritual realm. Being directly bonded to that much investiture, would absolutely bring you closer to the spiritual realm, and given the visions, it wouldn't be hard to imagine that Dalinar is sort of making... his own? Not really his own, but something like them, a simplistic one. I doubt that Dalinar is feeling like, the God Beyond. But it would make sense to be the spiritual realm. As for "Unite them," thats obviously something that came about because of the visions, because Gavilar heard it too. But it isn't the Stormfather himself, its the cognitive shadow of Honor. Or the remnants of the Spirit web of honor. So, that is my thoughts. I'm going to continue to think about my idea of honor's remnant being what is going on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyrann Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 So you think Unity is another chunk of Honor like the Stormfather is, and that Dalinar has some kind of bond with Unity? Also, I think it does make sense that the unseen light is the Spiritual Realm itself; it's described with light as metaphor more frequently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme King Z-arc he/him Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 So like the mist spirit being perservation? I think this could be right but then there is this Quote Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] Is Honor still alive? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Honor? Honor's dead. Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] What about Tanavast? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] So, um, you can assume that there is no funny business going on there. source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyrann Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 8 hours ago, Supreme King Z-arc said: So like the mist spirit being perservation? I think this could be right but then there is this Yeah but that's about Tanavast or Honor as shard. We know that the pieces of Honor have to still be around. That's what happens if a shard gets splintered; it turns into splinters of various sizes. The Stormfather is said to be the biggest one, but there's no reason to assume there are no other important ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szmit Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Stormfather was made by Honor, and the other splinters that could be there are probably somehow locked by Odium because he caused them. But that doesnt mean that they are not unlockable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering Investor Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Also, Odium is stated as being bound by the powers of Honor and Cultivation. So it seems reasonable to assume that some of Honor's power is still being applied to Odium's prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer he/him Posted June 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 17 hours ago, Supreme King Z-arc said: So like the mist spirit being perservation? I think this could be right but then there is this Oh no, yeah he's dead. But, there might be remnants of him in the spiritual realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LerasiumMistborn Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 But Dalinar insists that warmth he senses has nothing to do with Honor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer he/him Posted June 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, LerasiumMistborn said: But Dalinar insists that warmth he senses has nothing to do with Honor. Eh, that cannot be true. Without Honor, he wouldn't really have investiture. I don't think its so much like a direct thing that Honor did, but more just a general side effect of becoming closer TO Honor, and therefore the spiritual realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknopathetic he/him Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) My current theory is that Nohadon is a special kind of cognitive shadow, and that Dalinar is connecting with the "connection" linking all/many past bondsmiths; Honor lives on through the Unity of the Bondsmiths, and Dalinar has connected to them by becoming connected to The Way of Kings. All Mistborn Spoilers Spoiler Sort of like how Spook was so connected to Kelsier that he could hear Kelsier's Cognative Shadow more than anyone else could. The difference here is that Dalinar isn't a tin-eye but rather someone who plays with connection itself. Edited June 14, 2018 by teknopathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuatoma Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 So, I may be way off, as I only read OB once so far and am currently rereading it so I'll be sure to pay more attention, but it was my impression that it was actually Odium talking to Dalinar, to unite them for his own twisted plan. I think I thought this when we hear Odium and Amaram talking together, and Odium confirms he had been talking with Dalinar too, not just Amaram. Just my thoughts. I probably got it mixed up but I'll read it more thoroughly this time through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyrann Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 7 hours ago, Rock's Stew said: So, I may be way off, as I only read OB once so far and am currently rereading it so I'll be sure to pay more attention, but it was my impression that it was actually Odium talking to Dalinar, to unite them for his own twisted plan. I think I thought this when we hear Odium and Amaram talking together, and Odium confirms he had been talking with Dalinar too, not just Amaram. Just my thoughts. I probably got it mixed up but I'll read it more thoroughly this time through. Then why can Dalinar still feel the light after Thaylen City, when he's lost to Odium as champion? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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