Aether he/him Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 I find it amusing that accidental down-votes usually results in the victim getting a disproportional amount of up-votes.
Pathfinder Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 Yeah, I expect this is going to come back to haunt them eventually. Then again, there are literally thousands of people who wanted Sadeas dead, so the murder might not get associated with Dalinar. I mean, there's the bridgemen, his other slaves, every single survivor of the Tower battle, probably everyone who went in for the Everstorm battle and would really have liked another six armies backing them up, and probably a lot of additional people not in the above catagories. That makes me think, what if one of the bridgemen, slaves, or a survivor of the Tower DO get blamed instead? It was a death by an ordinary knife, and given if I recall correctly (correct me if I am wrong), Sadeus nor Adolin were wearing their shardplates, so there would be no evidence to point specifically to a shardwielder. So the trial of morality for Adolin could be would he let an innocent take the blame for his own actions, and let that innocent be excecuted? Which in the case of bridgemen, slaves, or military survivors of the Tower would be a guarantee for killing a highprince. Maybe even that choice would determine whether he becomes a knights radiant after all or not.
Baine he/him Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 I find it amusing that accidental down-votes usually results in the victim getting a disproportional amount of up-votes. You know, I think someone accidentally downvoted me the other day... 1
Aether he/him Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 You know, I think someone accidentally downvoted me the other day... Aww ='(. Here, have an up-vote!
hoser he/him Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 You know, I think someone accidentally downvoted me the other day... I'm just glad people don't overcorrect the accidental upvotes I've gotten. Wait, what was this thread about? That makes me think, what if one of the bridgemen, slaves, or a survivor of the Tower DO get blamed instead? It was a death by an ordinary knife, and given if I recall correctly (correct me if I am wrong), Sadeus nor Adolin were wearing their shardplates, so there would be no evidence to point specifically to a shardwielder. So the trial of morality for Adolin could be would he let an innocent take the blame for his own actions, and let that innocent be excecuted? Which in the case of bridgemen, slaves, or military survivors of the Tower would be a guarantee for killing a highprince. Maybe even that choice would determine whether he becomes a knights radiant after all or not. I agree that this situation is rife with dramatic potential. I do have trouble understanding why any particular bridgeman would be prosecuted. I even have trouble understanding who would be interested in prosecuting anybody for his death. Just as Sadeas tried to discredit Dalinar before trying to kill him, Sadeas discredited himself before getting himself killed. His old allies have either jumped ship (Aladar) or been proven wrong by events. The Dalinar side probably want to declare a national holiday. By the pre-Dalinar alethi morality, murdering someone without being caught may be considered admirable. Anybody with a more honorable outlook will be glad of the result. I can easily imagine Adolin laughing it off without even denying it: "Well, if I didn't do it, whoever did do it deserves a medal. The world is a better place without him." Without any evidence, it is hard to see how a prosecution would work. It's not like forensics will match up his knife with the scrambled mess of Sadeas's brain. "His cuffs were missing afterward" is not very convincing evidence. If Brandon wants him found out, there will have been a witness that didn't show themselves. 1
Pathfinder Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 @hoser, all excellent points. However I could see someone on Dalinar's side stumbling upon the body, and then being accused because he or she was the first one there. Or given how Dalinar's troops were so ready to do all they could to not help Sadeus way back when Sadeus was head investigator, they ended up damning Dalinar more than helping. So maybe they state something thinking they are protecting Dalinar, but accidentally incriminate themselves? Or perhaps one of them purposely takes credit to protect Adolin, and or Dalinar. Admittedly a lot of this is a stretch and some what predictable though.
Guest Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 @hoser, all excellent points. However I could see someone on Dalinar's side stumbling upon the body, and then being accused because he or she was the first one there. Or given how Dalinar's troops were so ready to do all they could to not help Sadeus way back when Sadeus was head investigator, they ended up damning Dalinar more than helping. So maybe they state something thinking they are protecting Dalinar, but accidentally incriminate themselves? Or perhaps one of them purposely takes credit to protect Adolin, and or Dalinar. Admittedly a lot of this is a stretch and some what predictable though. It would be very out of character for Adolin to let someone take the blame for him. He has always been very honest and direct about pretty much everything. Being secretive and hypocrite is just not his cup of tea. If someone ends up taking the blame, then I am pretty sure Adolin will end up telling. He cares about what his father is trying to do and he understands why there are rules. He just lost it for a moment.
Pathfinder Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 Exactly my point. Either he changes, rationalizing he got away with it and it would destroy his father and what he is trying to build, or he steps up, admits he did it to preserve the innocent's life, and thereby damns his father. No forensic evidence needed.
Matrim Bloody Cauthon he/him Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 I believe that it needed to happen and that adolin did the right thing. I also believe that he shouldn't have hidden his part in it from his father and others he trusts. I believe that it makes it seem as if he thinks that it was wrong.
Aether he/him Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 Exactly my point. Either he changes, rationalizing he got away with it and it would destroy his father and what he is trying to build, or he steps up, admits he did it to preserve the innocent's life, and thereby damns his father. No forensic evidence needed. Well, without any forensic evidence, I don't really see how someone else would be punished for it. Dalinar isn't likely to let anyone get the blame without strong proof, and just randomly being the one to find Torol's body isn't likely to be enough. And even if Adolin has to own up to it, I don't see how that would damnation Dalinar. If anything, Adolin admitting to the crime and submitting to punishment could be seen as honourable and true to his father's beliefs. The true blow to Dalinar would be if he tried to shelter Adolin in any way.
Guest Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 Exactly my point. Either he changes, rationalizing he got away with it and it would destroy his father and what he is trying to build, or he steps up, admits he did it to preserve the innocent's life, and thereby damns his father. No forensic evidence needed. I get your point. He is screwed no matter what. His best shot is to come clean, take the blame and dissociate his actions from Dalinar. I somehow do not think Adolin would live very well with "getting away with it" even if no ones ends up being blamed. He is a too honest and straight-forward person to just bury himself in lies, ie he is not Shallan. He reminds me of this Dana character in Homeland. Those who has watch the second season will understand what I am talking about. However, Sadeas's murder is too much of an opportunity for Ialai to get back at Dalinar. She will try to do something with it. This may very well launch an assassination campaign between both sides. Adolin would definitely be a target whether she thinks he is the culprit or not. By now, any enemy of Dalinar would gun for the son. He set a pretty big target on his back and no one is crazy enough to go for the Radiants directly.
Guest Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 Exactly my point. Either he changes, rationalizing he got away with it and it would destroy his father and what he is trying to build, or he steps up, admits he did it to preserve the innocent's life, and thereby damns his father. No forensic evidence needed. I get your point. He is screwed no matter what. His best shot is to come clean, take the blame and dissociate his actions from Dalinar. I somehow do not think Adolin would live very well with "getting away with it" even if no ones ends up being blamed. He is a too honest and straight-forward person to just bury himself in lies, ie he is not Shallan. He reminds me of this Dana character in Homeland. Those who has watch the second season will understand what I am talking about. However, Sadeas's murder is too much of an opportunity for Ialai to get back at Dalinar. She will try to do something with it. This may very well launch an assassination campaign between both sides. Adolin would definitely be a target whether she thinks he is the culprit or not. By now, any enemy of Dalinar would gun for the son. He set a pretty big target on his back and no one is crazy enough to go for the Radiants directly.
Pathfinder Posted May 1, 2014 Posted May 1, 2014 Well by his own words, his father thinks he is a better man, but he says he is not. So technically we don't know what he is fully capable of. I agree I think he would rise above and reveal himself, I was just positing like everyone else how things could potentially develop after Sadeus's death. I am with you on that. I could even see Ialai setting things up to point to someone in Dalinar's camp, knowing Adolin would stand up and take the blame. Yes that is a slight stretch, but just spitballing
Guest Posted May 1, 2014 Posted May 1, 2014 Well by his own words, his father thinks he is a better man, but he says he is not. So technically we don't know what he is fully capable of. I agree I think he would rise above and reveal himself, I was just positing like everyone else how things could potentially develop after Sadeus's death. I am with you on that. I could even see Ialai setting things up to point to someone in Dalinar's camp, knowing Adolin would stand up and take the blame. Yes that is a slight stretch, but just spitballing Maybe she won't look for a culprit... Ialai has her own network of assassins and we know she had sent one for Dalinar. What happened to it is a mystery, but it is clear the Sadeas have no complex is killing highprinces. It could be they restrained themselves because the political climate has changed in Althekar since the dark days of the Blackthorn and that open assassination is badly viewed and punishable. However, she may take her husband death as an excuse to start a new war in the shadows for the domination of Althekar. I could very well see Stones Unhallowed with a series of murders..... In the wake of Sadeas's death, other heads start to fall starting by strong allies of Dalinar. Aladar would be a nice target as he betrayed the Sadeas. I could see him bitting the dust.
Pathfinder Posted May 1, 2014 Posted May 1, 2014 LOL based on your description I pictured the opening of Stones Unhallowed like the ending of Godfather. Scene after scene of sudden assassinations, and then Ialai in the process of marrying another highprince lolol
Guest Posted May 1, 2014 Posted May 1, 2014 LOL based on your description I pictured the opening of Stones Unhallowed like the ending of Godfather. Scene after scene of sudden assassinations, and then Ialai in the process of marrying another highprince lolol LOL. I didn't have the Godfather in mind when I wrote it. How sweet would it be for Ialai to marry Amaram thus making Amaram a highprince?
Pathfinder Posted May 1, 2014 Posted May 1, 2014 If this wasn't Brandon's plan to begin with, it should be now lolol 1
Guest Posted May 1, 2014 Posted May 1, 2014 If this wasn't Brandon's plan to begin with, it should be now lolol Definitely. The could go about and assassinate everyone like Bonnie and Clyde.
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