Ajaxe Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 Long time leader first theory post I have a theory about the origin of the unmade and the heralds. I think he unmade we're humans at one point "unmade" into powerful evil Spre when the midnight mother is defeated shallan get the impression she was trying to understand something she lost. In symmetry I believe the Heralds may have been Spren "Made" human which is why they are so dedicated to their ideals. Just a gut feeling 2
RShara she/her Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 Welcome to the Shard! You might want to check out Arcanum, as Brandon has answered a LOT of our questions, and crushed many a theory. The Unmade are Splinters of Odium (Splinters being part of his power deliberately separated from him and shaped to do specific things). So they were not ever human. Quote WeiryWriter Are the Unmade Splinters of Odium? Brandon Sanderson Yes. Good guess. source Heralds are humans who went to Honor and proposed the Oathpact to keep the Fused from terrorizing Roshar. The Stormfather drops a few nuggest of info in Oathbringer. Spoiler Men say many foolish things, the Stormfather replied. Some name Kelek Stormfather, others Jezrien. I am neither of them. “But Jezerezeh was a Windrunner.” He was before Windrunners. He was Jezrien, a man whose powers bore no name. They were simply him. The Windrunners were named only after Ishar founded the orders. Spoiler Yours is the powerIshar once held. Before he was Herald of Luck, they called him Binder of Gods. He was the founder of the Oathpact. Spoiler There are also few places where it talks about most of the Heralds being generals and kings and so forth. 2
Ajaxe Posted February 11, 2018 Author Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) Ok I hear you, and sorry I'm not really a forum poster so I'm probably bad at this. but we have seen splinters of a shard reshape individual humans, altering their level of investiture and their spiritual DNA/S-Webb drastically. on Nalthis each returned has a divine breath which is a splinter of endowments power used to alter or create a sentient biochromantic being out of a corpse. Clarification the returned might not be "dead dead" kinda like when wax "died" and spoke with harmony in bands. could splinters of odium not be used in a similar fashion to create powerful Spren from humans? I chose this comparison because these are both shards that are splintered intentionally themselves, but maintain a sentient active bearer- unlike shards splintered by odium. -cheers Edited February 11, 2018 by Ajaxe
Wandering Investor Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 The definition of a splinter is flexible and doesn't determine the origin of the splinter. Their name "Unmade" indicates that its possible they were pre-existing entities that Odium torn apart(hence unmade) and put back together with some extra power to suit Odium's needs. As for whether the original entities were humans, that's not impossible, but seems unlikely. Based on what we've seen, a unmaking of this level would result in the death of the human midway.Now, we haven't seen how well a Shard can manipulate the human soul, so it might be entirely possible. But I would propose that the original entities were spren, ones that Odium corrupted and turned to his purposes.
Weltall Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 6 hours ago, Ajaxe said: but we have seen splinters of a shard reshape individual humans, altering their level of investiture and their spiritual DNA/S-Webb drastically. on Nalthis each returned has a divine breath which is a splinter of endowments power used to alter or create a sentient biochromantic being out of a corpse. Clarification the returned might not be "dead dead" kinda like when wax "died" and spoke with harmony in bands. The Returned aren't splinters though, they're Cognitive Shadows. A Splinter is a somewhat flexible term but in general they're self-aware Investiture that was never originally human. Quote Puck (paraphrased) How is a Splinter different from a Sliver? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Let me see... You have met splinters in Elantris, Warbreaker, and in Way of Kings. You have not met them in Mistborn. Puck (paraphrased) I feel like we know that. So, qualitatively, what's the difference? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Qualitatively, they're reverses of one another. A Sliver is a human intelligence who has held the power and released it. A Splinter has never been human. With the Returned, you have a human whose soul has been stapled back into their body by a Splinter of Endowment, which is not the same thing. Quote Argent When you say that the Returned are cognitive shadows, are they shadows of the people they were pre-death? In other words, is Lightsong Llarimar's cognitive shadow stapled to his body with a Divine Breath? Brandon Sanderson Yes, they are. (The evidence in the books is Lightsong obtaining some of the memories his pre-death soul had.) Footnote: It’s likely that “Llarimar” is supposed to be “Stennimar”source So we can't use the Returned as an example of Splinters and what a Shard can do with them; they're qualitatively different things. Since Brandon says the Unmade are Splinters, they pretty much can't have been originally human. While Shallan thinks that Re-Shephir might have originally been human, that doesn't mean she's correct. 1
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