Cheese Ninja he/him Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 10 lines radiating out from it, I don't think that's a coincidence. Could represent anything.
Releaser Posted April 1, 2014 Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) Is Dalinar's dream that he had in the end, that he thought was a Vision, an ability similar to the Mnemonic ability that the Lightweavers have, or the other abilities that the Radiants seem to have. From the Word's of Radiance quote epigraphs: "So Melishi retired to his tent, and resolved to destroy the Voidbringers upon the next day, but that night did present a different stratagem, related to the unique abilities of the Bondsmiths; and being hurried, he could make no specific account of his process; it was related to the very nature of the Herald and their divine duties, an attribute the Bondsmiths alone could address." Edited April 1, 2014 by Releaser 1
11thorderknight Posted April 1, 2014 Posted April 1, 2014 That's a very good point - the main theme of the dream was warmth/sunlight!
EmanEmal he/him Posted April 1, 2014 Posted April 1, 2014 The shadesmar(<--is that how it's spelled?) sun comes to mind when I see the picture that is.
Green Hoodie Mistborn he/him Posted April 1, 2014 Author Posted April 1, 2014 That Q/A in the book brings up some interesting ideas, though I still like my original theory the best on this one. There are 3 moons... 3 Bondsmiths (potentially). Perhaps the Stormfather and the other "BondsmithSpren" are native to the moons of Roshar or reside there most of the time? My thought on the picture though is that looks very much like the heliodor from the endpage map of Roshar. Great catch on the dream focusing on sunlight, and on the epigraph related to the unique ability of the Bondsmiths. There is definitely something to all this, but I'm afraid we are missing some crucial pieces of information to tie it all together.
Crysanja Posted April 3, 2014 Posted April 3, 2014 there must have been a relativly quick way to form advanced KR bounds to Spren. thouse bounds we saw so far all to years.(except maybe Dalinar) im sure thouse years are way to long for new KR to realy matter in the upcomming conflict. the Stormfather atleast claims he can prevent/rule bonding over Spren(honor). if this is actualy a power of the Stormfather, then we can assume that this power would be closly related to the powers Dalinar could get. so Bondsmith could do actualy what the name says, create bonds between Spren and humans. we kind of know the Stormfather is related to Honor. it would make more sence if there would be a Spren closely related to Cultivation, which would enable the creation of a Bondsmith too. Since here are 3 shards, i would guess for a Spren related to Odium, which promotes bonds with Odium related Spren, to create a Bondsmith too. 3 Shards, 3 sources of Spren? 3 Bondsmith? 1
Goatborn he/him Posted April 3, 2014 Posted April 3, 2014 there must have been a relativly quick way to form advanced KR bounds to Spren. thouse bounds we saw so far all to years.(except maybe Dalinar) im sure thouse years are way to long for new KR to realy matter in the upcomming conflict. the Stormfather atleast claims he can prevent/rule bonding over Spren(honor). if this is actualy a power of the Stormfather, then we can assume that this power would be closly related to the powers Dalinar could get. so Bondsmith could do actualy what the name says, create bonds between Spren and humans. we kind of know the Stormfather is related to Honor. it would make more sence if there would be a Spren closely related to Cultivation, which would enable the creation of a Bondsmith too. Since here are 3 shards, i would guess for a Spren related to Odium, which promotes bonds with Odium related Spren, to create a Bondsmith too. 3 Shards, 3 sources of Spren? 3 Bondsmith? This conversation has been split across a few different threads, and most of what you're saying has been put forward (So you know you might maybe possibly be on the right track!) I think Dalinar's bond with the Stormfather can be seen as his visions - developed over years, with an eventual dialogue between the two. A Bondsmith being able to manipulate the bonds between humans and spren is widely accepted, so most of the question is as you mentioned about how quickly they can advance a bond/cripple one. Another widely accepted theory is that Cultivation is another Bondsmith spren, but alas! The groundswell here is firmly in the court of a third spren not being related to Odium. I would always welcome another of the 17th Shard who backs the theory that there's a bondable Odium godspren out there!
Shardlet he/him Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) I also noticed that the Bondsmith spren in the epigraph was referred to in the singular. Also, the potentially variable number of Bondsmiths, though commonly 3, seems to indicated that the Stormfather/Nightwatcher/Cusicesh theory has some substantial holes in it.For those of you who have set forth that the unmade may be potential Bondsmith spren, I can't see how that would work. The KR were the opposition to Odium's forces. Why would Odium's unmade bond to to make a KR Bondsmith? And, why would the KR trust anyone bonded to an unmade?I, like Cheeseninja am currently in the apparently very small 'the Stormfather is the only Bondsmith spren and can bond multiple KR' camp. Edited June 2, 2014 by Shardlet
Moogle Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) I, like Cheeseninja am currently in the apparently very small 'the Stormfather is the only Bondsmith spren and can bond multiple KR' camp. I'm a part of this camp as well. I was unaware it was so small; it seems mostly apparent that each Order bonds a certain spren type. The Stormfather, being unique, means all Bondsmiths bond the Stormfather, because there are no other spren of his type. I'm also curious as to where this "Bondsmiths have the ability to alter Nahel bonds" theory came from. I recall one thread on it in the past, but I had no idea it was commonly accepted. It strikes me as a huge stretch, though after reading Mythwalker (specifically: the power of the priests of the God-King) I suppose there is some merit to it. Edited June 2, 2014 by Moogle
Green Hoodie Mistborn he/him Posted June 2, 2014 Author Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) Well, all we have to support the "common" amount of 3 Bondsmiths is an excerpt from an in-world history written a couple of hundred years after the Recreance. Brandon has shown us in the studies of Shallan with Jasnah that historians (much like ancient earth historians) distort history to support cases, so the reliability of the "Words of Radiance" is suspect. But since it's all we ahve to go off at this point, I think it significant that the number 3 was mentioned at all. We don't know that the Stormfather is unique as a spren type. There may be such thing as a "godspren" as a type with each godspren being different blends of Honor/Cultivation (90/10, 50/50, 10/90, or something like that). Each one, though the same type of spren, has "dominion" or guidance over certain areas/other spren. For me, while it could be false correlation, I see the 3 mentioned in the Bondsmith epigraph, and I see 3 "unique" very large, very powerful Spren (Stormfather, Cusciesh, Nightwatcher) and my mind ties them together... only time will tell, much like other theories on the boards. As for the Bondsmith power to alter Nahel bonds... i don't know what thread or evidence originated that, but I assumed it was just an extrapolation of the order name that people were doing. Much like Windrunners "ride the winds", Bondsmiths "forge bonds": -smith combining form suffix: -smith denoting a person skilled in creating something with a specified material. "goldsmith" Edited June 2, 2014 by Green Hoodie Mistborn
Moogle Posted June 3, 2014 Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) We don't know that the Stormfather is unique as a spren type. There may be such thing as a "godspren" as a type with each godspren being different blends of Honor/Cultivation (90/10, 50/50, 10/90, or something like that). Each one, though the same type of spren, has "dominion" or guidance over certain areas/other spren. You're speaking of a category of spren, not an individual spren type. It's an important distinction. The Stormfather and the Nightwatcher could be in this category of godspren, much like joyspren and fearspren are in the category of emotionspren. But Radiant Orders each bond one very specific type of spren, not a huge category. Windrunners bond honorspren, not all the spren in the category of abstractconceptspren. Bondsmiths likely bond "spren of Honor (capital H)", which the Nightwatcher is not. I would be very surprised if Bondsmiths bonded anything other than the Stormfather. If Bondsmiths can bond the Nightwatcher, then we should expect that Windrunners can bond Cryptics, since honorspren and Cryptics are both abstractconceptspren (honor and lies). Edited June 3, 2014 by Moogle
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