happyman Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 In a re-read of Oathbringer, I discovered the following little quote, from Moash' POV: Quote He looked up towards the skies, towards both Damnation and the Tranquiline Halls. What this strongly suggests, to me, is that Moash at least knows how to see Damnation and the Tranquiline Halls in the sky. The two phrases aren't generic, like our human description of the Heavens; they are specific places which are distinct from each other and can be seen. We're pretty much certain Braize is Damnation, and also another planet in the Greater Roshar system. This means that somebody who knows what they are doing could spot it on a clear night (when the geometry is right), just as easily as one of us could spot Mars or Venus. Presumably the same could be said about Ashyn. This strikes me as an indication of a couple of things: 1) At least some of the Rosharan humans were originally from Ashyn. This is not a surprise, nor is it something I would seriously contest, but this is another point in favor of it. The Tranquiline halls were (are) Ashyn. 2) At least some people on Roshar know this, to some extent. It's not at all clear how much of the astronomy they've managed to put together, but it sounds like they have at least a couple of strong hints. I'm not completely sure about this, because I vaguely remember some comments about the Tranquiline Halls becoming Damnation, but it's easy to see the elements mixing in various ways. I don't think it rules out at least some people remembering that they were separate places, and even where they would appear in the sky. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 I’ve always thought that the TH were on Braize, but then Odium came, and they became Damnation and humans went to Roshar. Is this just a head cannon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dlyol Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 We have WOB confirming that humans arrived on Roshar from Ashyn. Braize came to be known as Damnation because thats where the Heralds go to be tortured Quote Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] A friend of mine wanted me to ask: Was the cataclysm that <rocked> Ashyn and forced its inhabitants into the flying cities Investiture-based, and if it was was it Shardic in nature? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] The same cataclysm that the-- did you finish [Oathbringer]? Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] Yes. Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] The same cataclysm that they were fleeing, that they caused, is the one that forced people into the skies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draigon Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 I think Brandon's done a very good job of showing just bad the "telephone game" of history can get. The original presentation was that voidbringers had kicked humanity out of the Tranquiline Halls. We are given at the same time the idea that voidbringers come from Damnation. While both ideas are true separately, Vorinism has mushed them together. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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