Southpaw89 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 On my first read through The Way of Kings I didn't think too deep into what each character was doing or saying. I was reading what was written and enjoyed it for the story it was. However, on my reread I began to think deeper about what was really going on. One thing in particular that struck my interest was the ending. Hoid was expecting Taln, one of the Heralds, to show up and then he calls him his old friend. This could just be Hoid's way of addressing him or it could be something deeper. How did Hoid know that Taln would be showing up? How did he know who he was? And finally, who is Sigzil? We know he was an old apprentice to Hoid but what did that entail? Is Sigzil more than what we think? What do you guys think? To make things clear to those who may know about Hoid than I, the only books I have read by Brandon are the Mistborn books and Way of Kings. If there is more to Hoid that you can add to this conversation then please do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirVarrock he/him Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 The short version is that Hoid shows up in every Cosmere book so far (Elantris, Mistborn trilogy, Alloy of Law, Warbreaker, Way of Kings and Emperor's Soul) and his origin story will take place before any of the currently published books. It could very well be that he knew the heralds back when they were still fighting the desolations. If you want more info on him, here's a link to the wiki page on him: http://coppermind.net/wiki/Hoid As for Sigzil I believe that Brandon has said that he is from the Way of Kings planet, Roshar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skaa he/him Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) As SirVarrock said, it is possible that Hoid knows the Heralds. As for how he knew to be in Alethkar just when Taln showed up, here are a couple of probably relevant WoBs: QUESTIONHow does Hoid know where to go when?BRANDON SANDERSONHow does he know? He has his ways! (general groans) So a little bit more? Just a little bit more? He may be capable of a little bit of foreseeing of certain events, not what’s going to happen, but he may need ot be in a certain place in a certain time. Source MIKE COCKRUMHoid is regularly around when important events take place. How does he know where to go?BRANDON SANDERSONHe uses Feruchemy. Part of it that will show up in later books. Source Edited February 28, 2014 by skaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilKetchupCow he/him Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I believe there is a WoB that says that hoid and the Heralds have sdna that can use every magic in the cosmere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadrok she/her Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I believe there is a WoB that says that hoid and the Heralds have sdna that can use every magic in the cosmere. I don't think so, but if there is such a thing I'd be very interested to see it. I'm pretty sure that's just a theory (a good one, and one I subscribe to, but as yet unconfirmed). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shardlet he/him Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I don't think so, but if there is such a thing I'd be very interested to see it. I'm pretty sure that's just a theory (a good one, and one I subscribe to, but as yet unconfirmed). Aww, Kadrok. You're so diligent. We really do need to discuss giving you a raise . As to the OP, I would be surprised if Hoid hasn't been to Roshar a number of times. We know he was around at the time of the Shattering of Adonalsium. So, he has been around for a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if he had met Taln more than once before. Also, we have two organizations with somewhat similar goals with similar names: the Worldbringer on Scadrial (Mistborn) and the Worldsingers on Roshar. Hoid is significantly involved in at least one of these organizations. I personally think that he is the originator (or one of) of these groups. Further, Roshar has been a pretty significant cosmere battleground for many thousands of years since we have Shard on Shard conflict. He goes where important stuff is happening. So, it is not hard to imagine that has has popped up on Roshar before. Sigzil could be simply a Worldsinger apprentice to Hoid or he could be a more involved apprentice to Hoid's larger goals. This would mean that Hoid met him on a previous trip to Roshar and taken him with him on his "travels". However, I haven't heard Sigzil reference anything that seems to not jive with Roshar. So not much to suggest (yet) that Sigzil is a Rosharan worldhopper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilKetchupCow he/him Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Ah yes the quote was about ati and leras. I had misremebered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asperity he/him Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Hoid could have world-specific apprentices or teach some certain ones about the Cosmere. After all, somebody is teaching the 17th Sharders so Hoid would probably teach some of his own people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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