[OB] Elhokar and Eshonai

[RShara she/her]

13 minutes ago, Ookla the StrooklaEZ said:

Ugh, I've been trying to find a WoB that says that Mistborn are only Invested while they're using the powers. If I find it soon, I'll edit it in here.

EDIT: Hah, I found it! That was easy! (Thank you Arcanum!)

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/93-odysseycon-2016/#e2675

I feel like this part of the WoB you quoted earlier carries more weight than the later part, plus Brandon never really specified when they're more Invested. I dunno, I just find it unlikely that, if Mistborn were as Invested as KR, they wouldn't last very long in the CR. 

But Brandon also says that the bulk of a KR's power is coming from somewhere else.  So unless they're actively holding Stormlight, they're not super-invested.

 

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Also, in regards to the KR not popping up in Shadesmar, did you notice how no one popped into Shadesmar, even though several of the little flames that represent people blinked out of existence when Kaladin and them were on the Oathgate plateform right after they transitioned into Shadesmar. I think it's highly likely something I should horribly wrong with the Rosharan afterlife, which would fit with the Tranquiline Halls.

That, I can actually agree with.  I think you're right that something really funky is going on with Rosharan afterlife. Maybe they are being imprisoned somewhere.  But once released, I think they would immediately go to the Spiritual Realm, and not be able to maintain being CS without assistance.

But that just proves that Eshonai and Elhokar aren't Cognitive Shadows running around Roshar 

[RShara she/her]

4 hours ago, Aleksiel said:

Five. RIP Eth, you poor bridgeman, whose only fault was your name started with the wrong letter 

Uh oh, I found another E (not dead...yet!).  Rust Elthal.  He's one of the soldiers that Adolin gives a set of Plate to.

[PhineasGage]

7 hours ago, Aleksiel said:

Five. RIP Eth, you poor bridgeman, whose only fault was your name started with the wrong letter 

Wow, I'm seriously failing the test of deep Cosmere knowledge here aren't I. 

Right, who else have I forgotten? I'd make a terrible Edgedancer.

Oh storms, Edgedancer begins with E..... do we need to worry about all of them?

[ScavellTane]

8 hours ago, RShara said:

That, I can actually agree with.  I think you're right that something really funky is going on with Rosharan afterlife. Maybe they are being imprisoned somewhere.  But once released, I think they would immediately go to the Spiritual Realm, and not be able to maintain being CS without assistance.

But that just proves that Eshonai and Elhokar aren't Cognitive Shadows running around Roshar 

Which begs the question, how did Odium get to all those Ancient Singer Shadows in the first place? Is was he did to them causing the problem or is it part of the Oathpact?

[StrikerEZ he/him]

14 minutes ago, ScavellTane said:

Which begs the question, how did Odium get to all those Ancient Singer Shadows in the first place? Is was he did to them causing the problem or is it part of the Oathpact?

They were a part of the Oathpact since the very beginning. At some point before the Oathpact, I think it can be assumed that tons of Singers were somehow transformed into the Fused, and then the Heralds and Honor made the Oathpact to bind them on Braize. The reason they're coming back now is because they were on Braize before and either couldn't come back or Odium held them back (we aren't quite sure which).

@RShara Yeah, I kind of argued myself out of the whole "KR Cognitive Shadow" idea, I just kept it up because it was fun to figure out why I didn't like it.

[What's a Seawolf?]

10 hours ago, Ookla the StrooklaEZ said:

Also, in regards to the KR not popping up in Shadesmar, did you notice how no one popped into Shadesmar, even though several of the little flames that represent people blinked out of existence when Kaladin and them were on the Oathgate plateform right after they transitioned into Shadesmar. I think it's highly likely something I should horribly wrong with the Rosharan afterlife, which would fit with the Tranquiline Halls.

That's a fantastic point I didn't even think of during reading.  Maybe the dead really go to the Tranquilline Halls when they die, but instead of fighting or doing whatever Vorinism says, they're basically trapped in limbo vis a vi Odium and Braize.

By binding Odium, Honor also bound all souls to Roshar?

[echaozh he/him]

On 11/29/2017 at 9:42 PM, PhineasGage said:

I thought you were going to comment on how clearly Brandon likes killing off characters with the initial E. 

 

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That's three now by my reckoning - Elend, Eshonai, and Elhokar. Its obviously a trend.

 

And characters with the initial K are much luckier.

Kaladin, Kalad, Kelsier,