frozndevl Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 So, this is probably in a thread somewhere, but I'm bad at searching these forums. I believe that it might have been mentioned somewhere, maybe the Letter, or perhaps in a WoB, that Odium never invested himself in a planet because he wants to retain his power. How then, was the God to the humans that arrived on Roshar. If our theories hold true, and Voidbinding was in fact what destroyed the Tranquiline Halls, and Odium came with the fleeing humans, that suggests that he invested enough of his power to create a very potent form of magic. So, am I missing something here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Or he showed up on a planet with an already existing magic system that has nothing to do with with Roshar and incited war, leading people to destroy their world along with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara she/her Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 I'm not sure about Investing into a planet, but he's definitely created Splinters of himself--the Unmade and the voidspren--on Roshar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Isn't there a theory that the reason he is trapped is because he has been forced/tricked into investing in Roshar? He might have spren and splinters on Braize as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 18 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said: Isn't there a theory that the reason he is trapped is because he has been forced/tricked into investing in Roshar? He might have spren and splinters on Braize as well. He's been on Braize long enough he has to have invested there. He had to have been trapped somehow other than that in order to be there long enough for that to happen. It's definitely strengthened his prison, but I don't believe it's the initial mechanism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echaozh he/him Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 3 hours ago, RShara said: I'm not sure about Investing into a planet, but he's definitely created Splinters of himself--the Unmade and the voidspren--on Roshar. The Unmade were made and then unmade. Perhaps they were unmade by Odium, but made by another, say Honor or Cultivation? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 4 hours ago, Ookla, the Incalculable said: He's been on Braize long enough he has to have invested there. He had to have been trapped somehow other than that in order to be there long enough for that to happen. It's definitely strengthened his prison, but I don't believe it's the initial mechanism. I agree. Some kind of oath, perhaps? He seemed serious when he asked Dalinar if he would release him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salkara Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 7 hours ago, echaozh said: The Unmade were made and then unmade. Perhaps they were unmade by Odium, but made by another, say Honor or Cultivation? Or made by Adonalsium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmereAvair Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 He possibly could be invested with the third major spren, so far the two other shards on Roshar have done so, Honour and the stormfather, Cultivation and the Night watcher, that leaves Odium to be connected in some way to the Spren that sleeps. This could even be the reason why he can't leave Roshar as it might be a splinter of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Snow he/him Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 24 minutes ago, CosmereAvair said: He possibly could be invested with the third major spren, so far the two other shards on Roshar have done so, Honour and the stormfather, Cultivation and the Night watcher, that leaves Odium to be connected in some way to the Spren that sleeps. This could even be the reason why he can't leave Roshar as it might be a splinter of him. I've actually started thinking that Stormfather calls the Sibling the Sibling because it is NW and SF sibling in the sense that it is both of Honor and Cultivation (saw this somewhere else but I can't remember who posted it, sorry), and that the reason there are only 9 types of Fused is because Odium doesn't have a Godspren who can bind with one of them to make a Void!Bondsmith. And I agree that Odium being trapped in the Rosharan System/on Braize has almost definitely made him "Invest"(?) on the planet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmereAvair Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Matt Snow said: I've actually started thinking that Stormfather calls the Sibling the Sibling because it is NW and SF sibling in the sense that it is both of Honor and Cultivation (saw this somewhere else but I can't remember who posted it, sorry), and that the reason there are only 9 types of Fused is because Odium doesn't have a Godspren who can bind with one of them to make a Void!Bondsmith. And I agree that Odium being trapped in the Rosharan System/on Braize has almost definitely made him "Invest"(?) on the planet. That is an interesting concept to think that the sibling is of both Honour and Cultivation, and yet if Odium succeed making Dalinar his bondsmith he could have planned to use him to bond with the sibling making him a VoidBondsmith!. In the epigraphs they only mention eight unmade, maybe the ninth is the sleeping sibling. Spren do predate the shaterring so Odium doesn't need to have his own, just one that he potentially can bond with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Snow he/him Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, CosmereAvair said: That is an interesting concept to think that the sibling is of both Honour and Cultivation, and yet if Odium succeed making Dalinar his bondsmith he could have planned to use him to bond with the sibling making him a VoidBondsmith!. In the epigraphs they only mention eight unmade, maybe the ninth is the sleeping sibling. Spren do predate the shaterring so Odium doesn't need to have his own, just one that he potentially can bond with. Oh I don't mean that Odium needs to have his own, I was just guessing that the Bondsmith Spren are connected to the Shards since the Stormfather is Honor's Congnitive Shadow, the Nightwatcher is Cultivations' "Daughter", so it would make sense that a an Odium Bondsmith would have some connection to Odium. Of course we don't know how the Nightwatcher is specifically connected to Cultivation so it's possible she was "adopted" so to speak, and Odium could do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 I think Honor somehow forced Odium to invest himself in Braize. I can't think of any other reason why he would be trapped there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocHoliday he/him Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Odium is certainly Invested in Braize simply by lengthy proximity, it's just what Shards do according to Brandon. I also think he's Invested in Roshar the planet. I've been noticing the patterns in strata of rock repeating in layers of brown white and black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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