teknopathetic he/him Posted November 25, 2017 Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) If a Soulcaster suffocated a Fused or a Herald in a soul-cast Aluminum box, would they reincarnate? Edited November 25, 2017 by teknopathetic 2
teknopathetic he/him Posted November 25, 2017 Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) I noticed that Shallan had an Aluminum Necklace AND the Skybreakers didn't know that she was bonded to a Radiant Spren - did the aluminum keep her hidden? ' Edited November 25, 2017 by teknopathetic 2
Farnsworth Posted November 25, 2017 Posted November 25, 2017 35 minutes ago, teknopathetic said: I noticed that Shallan had an Aluminum Necklans AND the Skybreakers didn't know that she was bonded to a Radiant - did the aluminum keep her hidden? ' If she was coated in aluminum, maybe, but I don’t think a necklace would do the trick. I think I’m that stage, she was more of a proto-radiant. Although she did have a blade, so there might be something to that. Maybe they did nothing because she was so young?
teknopathetic he/him Posted November 25, 2017 Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Farnsworth said: If she was coated in aluminum, maybe, but I don’t think a necklace would do the trick. I think I’m that stage, she was more of a proto-radiant. Although she did have a blade, so there might be something to that. Maybe they did nothing because she was so young? Maybe wearing an aluminum necklace with an aluminum chain acts like aluminum helmets blocking emotional allomancy? We know that you don't need to cover the entire body to produce an effect. Aluminum has the ability to block investiture/meddling without covering the entire body-mass. With Shallan and Pattern, the Skybreakers were able to tell a proto-radiant was around, but they couldn't figure out who. They guessed Heleran and were likely wrong. I agree that a bit of aluminum shouldn't be enough to hide someone entirely, but Shallan's aluminum is a Chekov's Gun, and its the best explanation we have for why the Skybreakers were so confused, and why other truth-augers seemed to have not noticed her until she killed her parents and left the necklace behind in search of Jasnah. Another thing I noticed was that Shallan may have snuck up on Hold when they first met at the menagerie. She was wearing her mother's necklace, and Hold was startled to see her. One idea is that he was started by her investiture, but another option is that his life-sense did not detect her invested-approach, and he was confused to see so much investiture with his eyes, when his breath (or whatever) had not felt it. We thought Hoid had never seen a radiant before, but now we know there were Skybreakers everywhere, and there had been 20+ years of radiants emerging and being murdered. Likely Hoid new of this already. Edited November 26, 2017 by teknopathetic 5
NightFrost Posted November 26, 2017 Posted November 26, 2017 You know personally now that you bring it up I think the reason the skybreakers didn't notice her is because like we see all throughout OB her powers are some how quieter not the aluminium
teknopathetic he/him Posted November 26, 2017 Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, NightFrost said: You know personally now that you bring it up I think the reason the skybreakers didn't notice her is because like we see all throughout OB her powers are some how quieter not the aluminium Possible. We saw that Shallan is quieter than Kal when it came to using investiture in Kholinar. It could always be a bit of both. Edited November 26, 2017 by teknopathetic
Stairdweller he/him Posted November 26, 2017 Posted November 26, 2017 Do Skybreakers detect other radiants directly? In the two cases I can think of, Ym and Lift, Nalan seems to have come after them after they were being raidant-y enough to cause rumours. On the other hand, Shallan's letter from the ghostbloods says that they could locate pre-bonded types, that they would recruit into the skybreakers. So, is it possible that their detection is never perfect, and they use a combination of it and just... regular investigation?
Fulminato he/him Posted November 26, 2017 Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Stairdweller said: Do Skybreakers detect other radiants directly? In the two cases I can think of, Ym and Lift, Nalan seems to have come after them after they were being raidant-y enough to cause rumours. On the other hand, Shallan's letter from the ghostbloods says that they could locate pre-bonded types, that they would recruit into the skybreakers. So, is it possible that their detection is never perfect, and they use a combination of it and just... regular investigation? edgedancer spoiler Spoiler In the novella nale spurs his acolytes to found the surgebinder in the city, and szeth talking to lift refer the rumors surronding arclo. and they miss totaly the real proto-radiant, 'stump' there is not strange power to detect surgebinder, nale had live millennia, he had honed his investigation skill to ad impossbile level. Edited November 26, 2017 by Fulminato
teknopathetic he/him Posted November 26, 2017 Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fulminato said: there is not strange power to detect surgebinder, nale had live millennia, he had honed his investigation skill to ad impossbile level. Mraize suspects there is a way to detect surge binders. He tells this to Shallan in the letter about Heleran, but Mraize says he hasn't yet figured it out. This might be one of the lies Pattern notices, but still. Edited November 26, 2017 by teknopathetic
Neithan Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 OB chapter 118 makes it seem almost certain, to me, that Nightblood has an aluminum sheath.
Rainier Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 I'm loving this conversation, but I'd like to throw another silver metal into the ring: silver. It's Allomantically inert, somehow, yet has huge significance on Threnody where it can repel shades. Vin also has a piece of silver jewelry at one point in Misborn. So why Aluminum and not Silver? Are we absolutely certain that Nightblood's sheath is aluminum? What role does Silver have yet to play that we don't know about?
kmosiman Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 There's a WoB that he originally was going to use Silver instead of Aluminum in Mistborn, but Silver would be way too common for the time period. Aluminum, while abundant in modern times, is very rare without the proper production processes in place. I do not believe that Aluminum has been confirmed as the sheath material, but it's the only metal known in the Cosmere that has the right properties. It may also be an unknown alloy; but I would guess that it has a high Aluminum content.
BeskarKomrk he/him Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 On 11/26/2017 at 0:05 PM, teknopathetic said: Mraize suspects there is a way to detect surge binders. He tells this to Shallan in the letter about Heleran, but Mraize says he hasn't yet figured it out. This might be one of the lies Pattern notices, but still. There must be some way to detect the use of Surgebinding (or fabrials) because the voidspren do it in Kholinar. 1
Shqueeves Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 1 hour ago, kmosiman said: There's a WoB that he originally was going to use Silver instead of Aluminum in Mistborn, but Silver would be way too common for the time period. Aluminum, while abundant in modern times, is very rare without the proper production processes in place. Tin, not aluminum, was originally silver https://wob.coppermind.net/events/141/#e2391 Quote Brandon Sanderson One interesting aspect of the book that I haven't mentioned yet comes with the metal of tin. Originally, tin wasn't one of the Allomantic metals—I used silver instead. You see, I originally paired silver and pewter together, thinking that pewter had a significant amount of silver in it. Well, turns out that isn't the case. (Remember, each set of paired metals is a metal and an alloy made from it.)
kmosiman Posted November 28, 2017 Posted November 28, 2017 Quote The Hero of Ages Annotations (Feb. 11, 2010)#1Feb. 11, 2010 Share Brandon Sanderson Chapter Sixty - Part One Silver, the Useless Metal I've annotated about this before, but I figured I'd mention it again. As you probably know, in book one, tin was originally silver. I swapped it out for various reasons. However, that left silver having no Allomantic powers. That feels strange to a lot of people because of how common and useful it is in our modern culture. Such an obvious metal doing nothing seems wrong to readers. I toyed with using it in place of aluminum at the end of book one, but I realized that wouldn't work. It was too common, so if it had any Allomantic powers, people would know about them for certain. Only a metal that was very hard to find—like aluminum—would be believable as a new metal that most people hadn't heard of. So silver is Allomantically inert. Just one of the quirks of the magic system. I was referring to this annotation. Historically, Aluminum was very rare due to the production issues. Napoleon had a set of Aluminum dinnerware that was worth more than the gold and silver ones.
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