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[Kered he/him]

Sorry guys lol. 

 

So we know Damnation, as the people on Roshar(planet) refer to it, is the planet Braize. Has it been confirmed if the Heralds "prison" was in the Cognitive or Physical realm of Braize? I've been looking and haven't found anything that specifically states which one it's located in. 

Edited November 2, 2017 by Kered

[Weltall]

Vorinism teaches that they're different but we don't know whether or not that's true. We know the public teachings of the church at least contradict things we know to be true about the nature of Honor/the Almighty and about the Heralds and what it teaches about the Radiants is suspect per our own observations and Jasnah's in-universe ones, though we certainly don't know the truth ourselves yet. So what the church has to say about the Tranquiline Halls and Damnation shouldn't be taken as an absolute depiction of reality just yet. It's possible Braize is simultaneously both these places, or that Ashyn was the basis for the Halls, or something else entirely.

Now, what the church may or may not know that they don't tell the rest of Roshar is another question. It's possible they're sitting on knowledge they aren't sharing (like the priesthood of the God Kings in Warbreaker or to a lesser extent Mistborn's Steel Ministry) or it could be that they aren't privy to any secrets we'd give an arm and a leg to know and the public teachings are more or less the full extent of their knowledge. Just tossing the potential distinction out there as discussion fuel.

As for the Heralds' prison, both the description in Arcanum Unbounded and Kalak's recollections in WoK suggests they're getting their souls poked and prodded in the Cognitive Realm rather than the Physical. The former because Khriss' description of the planet being populated entirely by 'self-aware Splinters' and the suggestion that some may be Cognitive Shadows points in that direction. Kalak's description of the tortures sounds like the sort of thing that would be much easier to do to the Cognitive aspect of someone than to someone with an actual body that you would need to heal every day. And combining these two streams of knowledge, Kalak recalls burning heat but Khriss claims that Braize is an extremely cold planet, which sounds like it might be an example of Physical/Cognitive inversion like we've seen in Roshar and Scadrial's Cognitive regions where land in one is sea in the other and vice versa.

Edited November 2, 2017 by Weltall

[King Cole he/him]

18 minutes ago, Kered said:

Sorry guys lol. 

 

So we know Damnation, as the people on Roshar(planet) refer to it, is the planet Braize. Has it been confirmed if the Heralds "prison" was in the Cognitive or Physical realm of Braize? I've been looking and haven't found anything that specifically states which one it's located in. 

I thought that it was the tranquiline halls for some reason. WIth the whole "pushed out of the tranquiline halls". I could be wrong though

[Kered he/him]

As I understand it Damnation and the Tranquiline Halls are separate places to the Vorin church, the "Voidbringers" just control both now. 

[MistbornAlpaca he/him]

Okay, from the Arcanum Unbounded Roshar star chart, we know that there are 10 massive gas giants. What if each of them is Damnation for a specific Herald. So Kalak goes to Braize maybe, and Taln goes to a different one, and Nale a different one, and so on? This would allow each of the planets to be its own special torture made specifically for a certain Herald. What do you think?

[Calderis he/him]

I would assume the Cognitive Realm. The Heralds are tortured in a place of intense heat and fire, but Braize in the physical realm is cold. (and now I'm failing to find where that information comes from, so take it with a grain of salt) 

[Weltall]

17 hours ago, Calderis said:

I would assume the Cognitive Realm. The Heralds are tortured in a place of intense heat and fire, but Braize in the physical realm is cold. (and now I'm failing to find where that information comes from, so take it with a grain of salt) 

Khriss' essay on the system from Arcanum Unbounded.

[Calderis he/him]

37 minutes ago, Weltall said:

Khriss' essay on the system from Arcanum Unbounded.

I really need the ebooks for searching. Thank you. 

[The One Who Connects he/him]

On 11/2/2017 at 4:17 PM, Kered said:

On 11/2/2017 at 3:43 PM, King Cole said:

I thought that it was the tranquiline halls for some reason. With the whole "pushed out of the tranquiline halls". I could be wrong though

As I understand it Damnation and the Tranquiline Halls are separate places to the Vorin church, the "Voidbringers" just control both now. 

Yea, the Church(or at least, their teachings) call Damnation and the Tranquiline Halls separate places. The whole "they are both Braize" thing comes from us.

• Voidbringers pushed Mankind out of the Halls.
  • Voidbringers reside in "Heaven" now. (Odiumspren run rampant on Braize)
• [Religious Teaching] The Heralds return to the Halls to fight the Voidbringers.
  • Heralds go to "Heaven" to fight. (Braize = Heaven)
• [Fact] Heralds go to be tortured in Braize. Mankind calls Braize Damnation.
  • Heralds go to "He||" to suffer. (Braize = Hell)
• Heaven = Braize = He||.   Ergo, Heaven = He||.

Is this Religious Irony, or have the Sharders gone Too Far?

[Kered he/him]

3 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said:

Yea, the Church(or at least, their teachings) call Damnation and the Tranquiline Halls separate places. The whole "they are both Braize" thing comes from us.

• Voidbringers pushed Mankind out of the Halls.
  • Voidbringers reside in "Heaven" now. (Odiumspren run rampant on Braize)
• [Religious Teaching] The Heralds return to the Halls to fight the Voidbringers.
  • Heralds go to "Heaven" to fight. (Braize = Heaven)
• [Fact] Heralds go to be tortured in Braize. Mankind calls Braize Damnation.
  • Heralds go to "He||" to suffer. (Braize = Hell)
• Heaven = Braize = He||.   Ergo, Heaven = He||.

Is this Religious Irony, or have the Sharders gone Too Far?

Soooooooooo, Braize was heaven until Odium and his spren took over. Peeps on Roshar think that Heaven and Hell are two different places but in reality Odium turned heaven into hell? 

[The One Who Connects he/him]

Just now, Kered said:

Soooooooooo, Braize was heaven until Odium and his Spren took over. Peeps on Roshar think that Heaven and Hell are two different places but in reality Odium turned heaven into hell? 

You see what I mean by "Is this religious irony, or have the sharders gone too far?"
This is the level of making assumptions using facts that aren't necessarily there that we are willing to go to in search of answers.

That said, from where we stand now, it does appear that Odium turned Heaven into He||. Which is.. entertaining to think about.

[Kered he/him]

25 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said:

You see what I mean by "Is this religious irony, or have the sharders gone too far?"
This is the level of making assumptions using facts that aren't necessarily there that we are willing to go to in search of answers.

That said, from where we stand now, it does appear that Odium turned Heaven into He||. Which is.. entertaining to think about.

I know, the rent rates must have plummeted.

Ba dum tiss.  

Edited November 4, 2017 by Kered